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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 3, 2017 at 11:35 am
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(November 2, 2017 at 9:33 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Making the claim that such a fantastic creature as that exists and then not providing any evidence is the cosmological problem.
In theism it seems its fine to make a definition of a god, then make an argument that matches that definition, that way they seem at ease with using a definition of how they feel a god must be to be proof of a god.
Seems back to front to me
Yep, it's a tactic much beloved of the fundie crowd. Texas sharpshooter fallacy
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 3, 2017 at 11:39 am
Craig is one priceless piece of apologetic slime. Every time I hear him speak, I have to go shower.
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 3, 2017 at 1:22 pm
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(November 3, 2017 at 12:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: (November 2, 2017 at 9:33 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Making the claim that such a fantastic creature as that exists and then not providing any evidence is the cosmological problem.
In theism it seems its fine to make a definition of a god, then make an argument that matches that definition, that way they seem at ease with using a definition of how they feel a god must be to be proof of a god.
Seems back to front to me
Craig never said that God was falsifiable, He said the way one would need to go about it is through who He is and to date no one has. We begin with faith in Christ and what He did on the cross. Then we will move on to belief as we experience God through Bible study and then in the personal relationship God will reveal to the faithful Christian that He is real and who He says He is. Before you come to Christ there will be no proof and after only you and those who live in a personal relationship with Him will understand what God has done in His revelation of himself to the believers.
GC
Typical game of con-men everywhere.
(April 5, 2016 at 1:34 pm)SteveII Wrote: (April 1, 2016 at 11:27 pm)JuliaL Wrote:
In which a deity's "nature" is invoked to avoid the simpler, straightforward explanation that the deity was made up by bronze age clerics and their ancestors and has no existence other than an incoherent concept in the clerics' minds. To counter this, apologists have to stretch, twist and torture logic to get to a point where the deity is no longer the logically inconsistent paradoxical thing described. Even then, they are only able to, under special circumstances, argue that such a being could exist, not give actual evidence that one does.
Although it is trotted out regularly as a "flaw" in the God hypothesis, it is both ignorant and illogical to define omnipotent = do anything.
There is evidence of the existence of God. You just don't believe it. Not my problem. I was merely correcting a theological mistake.
If it was real evidence, I wouldn't have to believe it.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 3, 2017 at 5:19 pm
(November 3, 2017 at 5:24 am)possibletarian Wrote: (November 3, 2017 at 12:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: He said the way one would need to go about it is through who He is and to date no one has. We begin with faith in Christ and what He did on the cross. Then we will move on to belief as we experience God through Bible study and then in the personal relationship God will reveal to the faithful Christian that He is real and who He says He is. Before you come to Christ there will be no proof and after only you and those who live in a personal relationship with Him will understand what God has done in His revelation of himself to the believers.
GC
So if you believe because you believe, how do you distinguish reality from delusion. ?
I didn't say I believe because I believe, you sound like all the other atheist here. you didn't come to learn as you said you came to criticize.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 3, 2017 at 5:23 pm
He don't sound like me bro
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 3, 2017 at 5:33 pm
(November 3, 2017 at 5:19 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (November 3, 2017 at 5:24 am)possibletarian Wrote: So if you believe because you believe, how do you distinguish reality from delusion. ?
I didn't say I believe because I believe, you sound like all the other atheist here. you didn't come to learn as you said you came to criticize.
GC
You missed a plural and a capital letter.
Yours sincerely,
Your pal,
Hammy the big meanie critical atheist same as all the others.
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 3, 2017 at 5:55 pm
(November 3, 2017 at 8:24 am)Jehanne Wrote: (November 3, 2017 at 12:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: Craig never said that God was falsifiable, He said the way one would need to go about it is through who He is and to date no one has. We begin with faith in Christ and what He did on the cross. Then we will move on to belief as we experience God through Bible study and then in the personal relationship God will reveal to the faithful Christian that He is real and who He says He is. Before you come to Christ there will be no proof and after only you and those who live in a personal relationship with Him will understand what God has done in His revelation of himself to the believers.
GC
Many would disagree with you, GC, that the concept of "god" is logically inconsistent and self-contradictory. I know that you and WLC do not agree, but there are prominent philosophers who hold prominent chairs who say otherwise.
Philosophy isn't a real science, it's more like people who have nothing better to do than sitting around making up what pleases them. In the end we will see if the philosophers or God is the real deal.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 3, 2017 at 6:05 pm
Or neither.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 3, 2017 at 8:01 pm
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(November 3, 2017 at 5:55 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (November 3, 2017 at 8:24 am)Jehanne Wrote: Many would disagree with you, GC, that the concept of "god" is logically inconsistent and self-contradictory. I know that you and WLC do not agree, but there are prominent philosophers who hold prominent chairs who say otherwise.
Philosophy isn't a real science, it's more like people who have nothing better to do than sitting around making up what pleases them. In the end we will see if the philosophers or God is the real deal.
GC
If materialism is correct, then you will never know that you are dead. I appreciate your agnosticism, though!
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 3, 2017 at 8:19 pm
(November 3, 2017 at 5:19 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (November 3, 2017 at 5:24 am)possibletarian Wrote: So if you believe because you believe, how do you distinguish reality from delusion. ?
I didn't say I believe because I believe, you sound like all the other atheist here. you didn't come to learn as you said you came to criticize.
GC
Fair enough, then explain to me what your faith consists of then maybe i will understand, but my question still stands, how do you distinguish faith from delusion ?
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'
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