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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 9:38 am
(November 9, 2017 at 9:35 am)pool the matey Wrote: I'm not claiming anything I'm just pointing out that asking for evidence for a God is a strawman. Then you aren't pointing anything out, you're simply confused as to what the term refers to.
Quote:This is not an actual thing, I'm not going to say this during a conversation with a non believer, it's just a "gotcha" to use if and only if a asshole decide to do it first
Except that it's not a gotcha, evidence that magic book is not a scientific text is available, and the truth of the statement itself can be established by definition alone.
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 9:39 am
Evidence is only a problem for someone who doesn't have any. If you insist that we are the unreasonable ones for even asking you to provide some, why should anyone take your claims seriously?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 9:39 am
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You realize that science isn't the only thing that needs evidence, right? Historical claims need evidence as well. Why do you think historians don't believe in Julius Caesar's divinity or the enslavement of the Jews in Egypt? Because there's no evidence to support those statements. Any statement that makes an assertion about reality needs evidence, or one is being unreasonable in believing it. Have you ever read a history book? Go look in the back at all the sources of evidence that are cited.
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 9:44 am
(November 9, 2017 at 9:38 am)Khemikal Wrote: (November 9, 2017 at 9:35 am)pool the matey Wrote: I'm not claiming anything I'm just pointing out that asking for evidence for a God is a strawman. Then you aren't pointing anything out, you're simply confused as to what the term refers to.
Quote:This is not an actual thing, I'm not going to say this during a conversation with a non believer, it's just a "gotcha" to use if and only if a asshole decide to do it first
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Except that it's not a gotcha, evidence that magic book is not a scientific text is available, and the truth of the statement itself can be established by definition alone.
read the OP again I'm not saying bible is a scientific book
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 9:46 am
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Then you are saying that magic book does not purport to report facts which can be tested by the scientific method.
This leaves you in a very sticky situation. You've "gotcha'd" yourself and still haven't managed to point out a straw man. Surely this isn't your intention?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 9:53 am
(November 9, 2017 at 9:39 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You realize that science isn't the only thing that needs evidence, right? Historical claims need evidence as well. Why do you think historians don't believe in Julius Caesar's divinity or the enslavement of the Jews in Egypt? Because there's no evidence to support those statements. Any statement that makes an assertion about reality needs evidence, or one is being unreasonable in believing it. Have you ever read a history book? Go look in the back at all the sources of evidence that are cited.
The thing about historical evidences is you can't say evidence for something won't be found just because it isn't found right now. We are learning and discovering many things each day.
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 9:53 am
All OP has demonstrated here is that he has no clue whatsoever what a strawman is.
Asking for evidence could never be, in any context.
Maybe we should all chip in and get him a free online dictionary?
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 9:56 am
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2017 at 9:57 am by FatAndFaithless.)
(November 9, 2017 at 9:53 am)pool the matey Wrote: (November 9, 2017 at 9:39 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You realize that science isn't the only thing that needs evidence, right? Historical claims need evidence as well. Why do you think historians don't believe in Julius Caesar's divinity or the enslavement of the Jews in Egypt? Because there's no evidence to support those statements. Any statement that makes an assertion about reality needs evidence, or one is being unreasonable in believing it. Have you ever read a history book? Go look in the back at all the sources of evidence that are cited.
The thing about historical evidences is you can't say evidence for something won't be found just because it isn't found right now. We are learning and discovering many things each day.
And until the evidence is found, you're being unreasonable if you believe an assertion. Additionally, absence of evidence IS evidence of absence if it's a situation where we should definitely be finding evidence.
If I say that yesterday a bear tore up my yard and took a huge shit on my doorstep, then you examine my yard to find it pristine and zero stains or smells or shit-nuggets on my doorstep - that's not only a lack of evidence, that's evidence that the event did not happen as I claimed.
You can say "i don't need evidence for my beliefs" allllll you want pooley, it's not something new, just don't expect to be taken seriously by anyone.
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 9:57 am
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(November 9, 2017 at 9:53 am)pool the matey Wrote: The thing about historical evidences is you can't say evidence for something won't be found just because it isn't found right now. We are learning and discovering many things each day.
A promise of evidence tomorrow demonstrates nothing today, and is incapable of mounting a serious objection to what evidence we do have today. What -can- be said, if you're hoping for evidence tomorrow, is that you do not have any today.
You're pleading the possibility of some meaningful ignorance with your interlocuter, and while potentially true..it's entirely uninformative. It will always be the case that there may be something that we don't know. Even if we had "complete knowledge" about some subject x, the one thing missing would be knowledge of complete knowledge. This is why a requirement of complete knowledge is unreasonable.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Atheists don't realize asking for evidence of God is a strawman
November 9, 2017 at 9:58 am
Pool, you appear to have ignored the two questions I asked you. Want to ignore this one as well?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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