RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 9, 2017 at 8:07 am
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2017 at 8:07 am by Jehanne.)
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Dr. Craig contradiction.
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It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther  RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
November 9, 2017 at 9:13 pm
(This post was last modified: November 9, 2017 at 9:13 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
You know . . . I find the fact that theists who rely on faith and emotionality to believe in God really quite unsurprising. It's the theists who actually think there are logical arguments that prove God that I find most surprising. But then I'm constantly surprised by both theists and atheists who fail to differentiate between valid and invalid arguments. It's not hard. At least for me, valid argumentation seems extremely easy. But then I suck at a lot of other things so maybe that's just genetics.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther  (November 10, 2017 at 10:46 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: 2 - Religions can and have made testable and falsifiable claims... this is simply false. But none having to do with the supernatural or the existance of a god. This is simply true.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
(November 10, 2017 at 11:35 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:(November 10, 2017 at 10:46 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: 2 - Religions can and have made testable and falsifiable claims... this is simply false. Why not?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther (November 10, 2017 at 11:46 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(November 10, 2017 at 11:35 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: But none having to do with the supernatural or the existance of a god. This is simply true. Because the religious know full well that they can present no evidence that ANY god exists, thus they avoid the question.  (November 10, 2017 at 11:50 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:(November 10, 2017 at 11:46 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Why not? When Atheists blurt out things they want to be true like your phrase with no knowledge, there is seriously limitations to what a person aware of proofs can do to convince a person who doesn't want to be convinced of God. I tell you what - either A or B and I will change my mind of Atheists generally being stubborn people who want to hold on to ignorance as proof that God is not known to others. A. Present well in the best charitable manner all arguments for God by at least five famous philosophers and show they are wrong. Charitable means you ought to look for premises to further their premises and claims, not just debunk them. Show you really tried to see it - fill in hidden premises - and show why it's not true. B. Present well all the arguments I have brought over the years for God or at least five of what you think are my better or clearer arguments. Do the same as above and show why it's wrong. I have yet to meet a truly sincerely searching Atheist for the truth with all out resolve. I see people vehement with a passion to remain ignorant. I see some looking for evidence confused, but really a little effort on their part to understand. I want to see at least one not like this. |
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