I wouldn't spend too much time commenting on fathers, Kevin.  God is their father just as much as they have a "relationship" with him..which is not at all.  Not at all, and even a believer understands that this is devotional language which signifies nothing in particular. You're being led around in pointless circles, lol. This particular brand of belief is nothing if not endless circum-ambulation.

In the absence of any experience of god from which the faithful can comment directly, we are being treated to the supposed periphery of the divine....as though the book itself were the object of veneration. Which, ofc, it is. What are a gaggle of book-worshippers going to be able to tell you about gods?

Quote:If they had something that works in full, there wouldn't still be competing theories.

Bullshit there can be more then one completely workable mechanism. Once again your ignorance remains

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Yup CL and most of us are ex theists or raised in theist households .And came to the logic conclusion that's what we were being taught and that it is the logical out come of said teaching . Funny how so many theists tell me i don't live up to the logical  consequences of my atheism. Well look in the mirror . As for natural theology unless it draws from a biblical foundation and authority all you have done is  abandoned Christianity over to undefined theism . 

As for the farther rubbish considering ancient Jewish  and Christian were patriarchies the term master and farther are interchangeable. 

As for the idea that the god of Christianity is much different then the vengeful gods of old . Reread the old testament .

(November 11, 2017 at 6:26 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Well, I guess if I believed in the kind of God the atheists are describing then I suppose that might count as delusional. Personally, I don't believe in that God nor do I know any Christians that do.

Whatever kind of God you believe in it's still clearly indistinguishable from non-existence and simultaneously supposedly a silly caretaker who allows evil in the world "because free will" which doesn't even exist. And that's fucking retarded. And that applies to all the Abrahamic gods, not just yours. The very basic assumptions are retarded from the get go.

Quote:Well, I guess if I believed in the kind of God the atheists are describing then I suppose that might count as delusional. Personally, I don't believe in that God nor do I know any Christians that do.

Lol ah the that's not my god defense odd how an unchanging god always seems different depending on the situation .

And the god you worship seems no less a delusion (note that's not the same as saying no god exists so screw off road)

It would seem that at least is some sense, you need to make the second claim, in order to make the first. But let me guess... you are not really saying anything here!

(November 14, 2017 at 8:09 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:If they had something that works in full, there wouldn't still be competing theories.

Bullshit there can be more then one completely workable mechanism. Once again your ignorance remains

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Yup CL and most of us are ex theists or raised in theist households .And came to the logic conclusion that's what we were being taught and that it is the logical out come of said teaching . Funny how so many theists tell me i don't live up to the logical  consequences of my atheism. Well look in the mirror . As for natural theology unless it draws from a biblical foundation and authority all you have done is  abandoned Christianity over to undefined theism . 

As for the farther rubbish considering ancient Jewish  and Christian were patriarchies the term master and farther are interchangeable. 

As for the idea that the god of Christianity is much different then the vengeful gods of old . Reread the old testament .

Again, lets be fair to CL, we also have Atlass and Mystic whom are Muslims. I see all of antiquity worldwide as not having our modern knowledge, not just the 3 religions of Abraham.

Hinduism and Buddhism is full of mythology and superstition too. Religion in our entire species history has been dominated by Patriarchal memes. Even the top deities of the Egyptians and Romans and Greeks were all males. Buddha mythology had a female give birth to a male hero too. 

This really stems from our species ignorance back then that brawn was better than nurture. Evolution proves that neither are better than the other but both different attributes and both contribute half of the offspring's genes. 

Sexism till exists widely even in China and India and Japan too. You wont see a female Dali Lama anytime soon either. 

The modern concept of girls/females being equal is a modern concept. Back in antiquity females were seen as heros depending, but not at the same scale, and most of the time the female heros in religion were created more to be a glorification to the male head gods, rather than being a top god and a leader.

Point being, the entire world was scientifically ignorant and had no clue.

(November 14, 2017 at 12:01 pm)Mathilda Wrote: I am not saying that religious indoctrination explicitly states that the consequences of your actions are irrelevant, but it achieves this by trivialising the importance of your real-world life with the idea of an eternity of happiness and agony. And it is taught that this judgment is only carried out by your god.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Bible teaches that we get - or miss out on - eternal rewards based on our actions in this life.

What did Jesus say in Mark 3? Oh yeah, do as you like basically. As long as you are sorry and tickle my balls.