Well if the "do you believe" question specifies a literal god, yes I would be.
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Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
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I don't think I believe that I feel that agnostics really exist.
But I'm kinda agnostic about it. 
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The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert) The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation) RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
November 29, 2017 at 11:24 pm
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2017 at 11:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 29, 2017 at 11:06 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well if the "do you believe" question specifies a literal god, yes I would be. That is exactly and explicitly the question of atheism. It is not "do you believe in psychological phenomena". That's our factual correction, but the subject of the question is a vanishingly small subset of believers' mistake.
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 (November 29, 2017 at 11:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(November 29, 2017 at 11:06 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well if the "do you believe" question specifies a literal god, yes I would be. Well .. then its just a silly question. I'm only interested in the sort of gods that actually gave rise to and sustained the phenomenon of god belief. RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
November 29, 2017 at 11:31 pm
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2017 at 11:36 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Sure, it's always been silly...but that never stopped anyone from taking it seriously. You took it seriously enough to respond as an agnostic to something you knew you weren't agnostic about. Parse that.
 Plenty of those types of gods, by the by, aren't likely to have been psychological phenomena at all. Just stories. You find me a believer who thinks he's experienced god and I'll show you someone playing pious theater with churchspeak. You can spot the pretenders in the larger set...they;re the people who -haven't- been committed. Even believers don;t believe the people who say god told them to boil their children....and it's because they know better.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
I have the luxury of not having any regular exposure to practicing believers practicing. I just talk to those who are verbal enough to post online.
RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
November 30, 2017 at 12:09 am
(This post was last modified: November 30, 2017 at 12:13 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Those would be the prime suspects for pious theater. Ignore the many times we've heard someone concede that some comment was exactly that, on these boards. Take only the subset who make no such concessions. Do you think that they actually experience something akin to their description...or do you think it might be more likely that they are using ritual expression to describe a mundane belief? If it;s the former, why are believers commonly resistant to others claims of divine experience, even within their own faiths subset? If it;s the latter...is there a there, there...at all?
You don't take gods at face value, but do you take "I like..felt god, man!" at face value? What ratio of those claims do you accept as accurately purporting to report a fact? How many of that subset would you expect to be reporting on the same fact between cases?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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