(December 15, 2017 at 3:30 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Biological evolution is false, it hasn't been proven not even close.

(December 17, 2017 at 2:08 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(December 15, 2017 at 3:30 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Biological evolution is false, it hasn't been proven not even close.

Literalists are going to die out as xtian denominations evolve to more science compatible forms of belief.  

GC you should really try to adapt before you go the way of the Dodo.

(December 17, 2017 at 12:02 am)KevinM1 Wrote:

(December 16, 2017 at 11:58 pm)Haipule Wrote: Wow! Thanks for asking! MRSA is a staph infection that tries to outpace mans ability to confront it!

You’re missing “via evolution” at the end there.

You left out "microevolution". It's still staphylococcus.

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(December 17, 2017 at 12:11 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(December 16, 2017 at 11:58 pm)Haipule Wrote: Wow! Thanks for asking! MRSA is a staph infection that tries to outpace mans ability to confront it! It's now funny that the old drugs that quit working at some point, are the most formidable against it now!

A better argument is diabetes. We have learned to help diabetes live longer by saving people with diabetes! Thereby proving the survival of the weakest!

On the contrary, the gene that makes people susceptible to type 2 diabetes when they eat too much and don’t exercise also makes people more effectively store surplus calaories as fat when food is not too plentiful and thus improve their ability to survive famine.

In societies where calaories are tight and people struggle to feed themselves, as all human societies had been over vast majority of human existence on earth, the diabetes gene, far from making its carrier the weakest, actually makes them the fittest to survive.

In societies around the world today, You can actually correlate the frequency of the diabetes gene to how recently the society had experienced very severe famines in which a large percentage of the population starved to death.   The more recent the natural selection by extreme famine, the greater the prevalence of the diabetes gene in the society it afflicted.  This is natural selection visibly at work amongst humans.

More evidence of evolution taking place amongst humans even as we speak?   People of Western Europeans descent have the some of the lowest prevalence of genetic susceptibility to type 2 diabetes in the world.  They are the fittest to survive by your definition but would be the most at risk if a global cataclysm overtakes over global food production and distribution system.  

But how comes it this way?  As it turns out, careful reading of the records of people’s lives in Western Europe suggests death by type 2 diabetes and gestational diabetes were extremely common as late as the 17th and 18th centuries. The symptoms that accompanied the terminal decline of many Western European luminaries  of that age are symptoms of severe diabetes.   What happened?

In the 17th century, the Europeans got hold of African slaves to set up huge sugarcane plantation in the Caribbeans, and began to manufacture refined sugar on industrial scale to export back to Europe.  For the first time in human history sugar became cheap and plentiful.  Prior to the 17th century Western Europeans were probably just as susceptible to diabetes as most other peoples of the old world.    But then came the tide of white sugar.  Soon everyone who is susceptible to type 2 diabetes got it.  They tend to die early and leave fewer offsprings.   2 centuries later the entire gene pool of Western Europe has been largely scrubbed of the diabetes gene.

It is fortunate during this time, rise of wealth and development meant no real large scale famine hit most of Europe outside of Ireland. For while the flood of sugar cleansed the gene pool of susceptibility to diabetes, it also deprived the society of those most resistant to famine.

Now, if a severe global famine were to afflict major societies of the world equally, people of Western European descent would be the most screwed.

That is fascinating! I live in Hawaii where type 2 is very prevalent among people of Hawaiian decent. The people of Hawaii are among the latest peoples to be discovered by Western man.

They lived on a very simple diet for centuries that DID NOT include sugar, wheat or rice or even Spam. These are their favorite foods now and it's killing them!

Bruddah Iz!



Who once weighed over 700 pounds and died at the age of 38. But WHAT a voice:

https://youtu.be/Z26BvHOD_sg

This song was released posthumously.

(December 17, 2017 at 6:35 pm)Haipule Wrote:

(December 17, 2017 at 12:02 am)KevinM1 Wrote: You’re missing “via evolution” at the end there.

You left out "microevolution". It's still staphylococcus.

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(December 17, 2017 at 12:11 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: On the contrary, the gene that makes people susceptible to type 2 diabetes when they eat too much and don’t exercise also makes people more effectively store surplus calaories as fat when food is not too plentiful and thus improve their ability to survive famine.

In societies where calaories are tight and people struggle to feed themselves, as all human societies had been over vast majority of human existence on earth, the diabetes gene, far from making its carrier the weakest, actually makes them the fittest to survive.

In societies around the world today, You can actually correlate the frequency of the diabetes gene to how recently the society had experienced very severe famines in which a large percentage of the population starved to death.   The more recent the natural selection by extreme famine, the greater the prevalence of the diabetes gene in the society it afflicted.  This is natural selection visibly at work amongst humans.

More evidence of evolution taking place amongst humans even as we speak?   People of Western Europeans descent have the some of the lowest prevalence of genetic susceptibility to type 2 diabetes in the world.  They are the fittest to survive by your definition but would be the most at risk if a global cataclysm overtakes over global food production and distribution system.  

But how comes it this way?  As it turns out, careful reading of the records of people’s lives in Western Europe suggests death by type 2 diabetes and gestational diabetes were extremely common as late as the 17th and 18th centuries. The symptoms that accompanied the terminal decline of many Western European luminaries  of that age are symptoms of severe diabetes.   What happened?

In the 17th century, the Europeans got hold of African slaves to set up huge sugarcane plantation in the Caribbeans, and began to manufacture refined sugar on industrial scale to export back to Europe.  For the first time in human history sugar became cheap and plentiful.  Prior to the 17th century Western Europeans were probably just as susceptible to diabetes as most other peoples of the old world.    But then came the tide of white sugar.  Soon everyone who is susceptible to type 2 diabetes got it.  They tend to die early and leave fewer offsprings.   2 centuries later the entire gene pool of Western Europe has been largely scrubbed of the diabetes gene.

It is fortunate during this time, rise of wealth and development meant no real large scale famine hit most of Europe outside of Ireland. For while the flood of sugar cleansed the gene pool of susceptibility to diabetes, it also deprived the society of those most resistant to famine.

Now, if a severe global famine were to afflict major societies of the world equally, people of Western European descent would be the most screwed.

That is fascinating! I live in Hawaii where type 2 is very prevalent among people of Hawaiian decent. The people of Hawaii are among the latest peoples to be discovered by Western man.

They lived on a very simple diet for centuries that DID NOT include sugar, wheat or rice or even Spam. These are their favorite foods now and it's killing them!

Bruddah Iz!



Who once weighed over 700 pounds and died at the age of 38. But WHAT a voice:

https://youtu.be/Z26BvHOD_sg

This song was released posthumously.

Yep Izzy be the bomb for sure.  (Definitely not  a bomb that gets dropped on you but boy could that man sing, hey?)

(December 17, 2017 at 7:43 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(December 17, 2017 at 6:35 pm)Haipule Wrote: You left out "microevolution". It's still staphylococcus.

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That is fascinating! I live in Hawaii where type 2 is very prevalent among people of Hawaiian decent. The people of Hawaii are among the latest peoples to be discovered by Western man.

They lived on a very simple diet for centuries that DID NOT include sugar, wheat or rice or even Spam. These are their favorite foods now and it's killing them!

Bruddah Iz!



Who once weighed over 700 pounds and died at the age of 38. But WHAT a voice:

https://youtu.be/Z26BvHOD_sg

This song was released posthumously.

Yep Izzy be the bomb for sure.  (Definitely not  a bomb that gets dropped on you but boy could that man sing, hey?)

Yes! When I need soothing, I play that song because it always works. However, that video shows his funeral. The man was celebrated in his life and certainly at his death. That video always makes me cry! Not because he is no longer with us but, because he was so loving and well loved. He is still that special!

(December 17, 2017 at 8:12 pm)Haipule Wrote:

(December 17, 2017 at 7:43 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Yep Izzy be the bomb for sure.  (Definitely not  a bomb that gets dropped on you but boy could that man sing, hey?)

Yes! When I need soothing, I play that song because it always works. However, that video shows his funeral. The man was celebrated in his life and certainly at his death. That video always makes me cry! Not because he is no longer with us but, because he was so loving and well loved. He is still that special!

Have you heard the mashup of that song, "Don't worry be happy" and that Jason Mraz song "I'm yours"?  You'd like it.

Evolution is evolution. Macro/micro are meaningless distinctions.

(December 17, 2017 at 10:15 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Evolution is evolution.  Macro/micro are meaningless distinctions.

Well, thanks for clearing that up! Do you really think a theist apologist is going to deny micro? It's everywhere!

Yet, you want to deny that God exists by proving His very nature? It ain't gonna work!

The intellect of the living God is so vastly beyond man, all we can truly do is examine, analyze, learn and enjoy it's immense beauty and go along for the ride! The Crazy Train for sure:

https://youtu.be/H-PQeWJ2ZC8

Randy Rhodes was so good! To bad he crashed his plane, fucking with Ozzy's bus.

Well, that was a lame attempt at turning the tables. Surely you can do better than that.

(December 17, 2017 at 10:52 pm)Haipule Wrote:

(December 17, 2017 at 10:15 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Evolution is evolution.  Macro/micro are meaningless distinctions.

Well, thanks for clearing that up! Do you really think a theist apologist is going to deny micro? It's everywhere!

Yet, you want to deny that God exists by proving His very nature? It ain't gonna work!

The intellect of the living God is so vastly beyond man, all we can truly do is examine, analyze, learn and enjoy it's immense beauty and go along for the ride! The Crazy Train for sure:

https://youtu.be/H-PQeWJ2ZC8

Randy Rhodes was so good! To bad he crashed his plane, fucking with Ozzy's bus.

Don't sell yourself short.  You apparently have taken the measure of His intellect are here to explain it to the rest of us mental peons.  Apparently some mans are smarter than others.

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(December 17, 2017 at 10:55 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Well, that was a lame attempt at turning the tables.  Surely you can do better than that.

He is probably deep into his cups by now.