(in no particular order)
Theists tell me, why is it that everything that God has provided, created and bestowed upon us, co-incidentally always seems to have
an alternate natural, more feasible explanation?

Why cannot science objectively find just one example out of trillions, where we can say, yeah, that thing right there, it shouldn't happen like that but it does, repeatedly.
That thing goes against what is logical or possible in our universe.
Example: People go back to Fatima, pray en masse for a sundance and on queue the Sun dances! For all the world to see?

Maybe it is the work of a God? They prayed to a God and a God responded... Makes logical sense.

But if God is going to act exactly like he doesn't exist in our universe, theists, why on earth do you even assume that he does?
What compels you to go against the grain of logic and common sense and dedicate your life to a particular myth from millions of other man made myths?

We just need one tiny example for God to show us something, but even that is asking too much for a non existent God.
Funny how everything in the world seems to make more sense when you take any extra unnecessary baggage out of the picture. (Occams)

Yeah, the world is a cruel place for the most part, but how is believing in something not real going to help anything or anyone.
Have we really reduced our species to relying on false hope to get by? We must have: 80% of the world does it.

(Even at the quantum level, weird shit happens, that isn't God! Why would the creator of the universe need to hide inside of atoms while we're all outside?
That's how our universe has been for 14 billion years, we're just discovering it now (last 100 years -through knowledge and technology.)

Quote:"We have heard talk enough. We have listened to all the drowsy, idealess, vapid sermons that we wish to hear. We have
read your Bible and the works of your best minds. We have heard your prayers, your solemn groans and your reverential
amens. All these amount to less than nothing. We want one fact. We beg at the doors of your churches for just one little
fact. We pass our hats along your pews and under your pulpits and implore you for just one fact. We know all about your
mouldy wonders and your stale miracles. We want a 'this year's fact'. We ask only one. Give us one fact for charity. Your
miracles are too ancient. The witnesses have been dead for nearly two thousand years. Their reputation for 'truth and
veracity' in the neighborhood where they resided is wholly unknown to us. Give us a new miracle, and substantiate it by
witnesses who still have the cheerful habit of living this world. Do not send us to Jericho to hear the winding horns, nor
put us in the fire with Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego. Do not compel us to navigate the sea with Captain Jonah, nor
dine with Mr. Ezekiel. There is no sort of use in sending us fox-hunting with Samson. We have positively lost all interest
in that little speech so eloquently delivered by Balaam's inspired donkey. It is worse than useless to show us fishes with
money in their mouths, and call our attention to vast multitudes stuffing themselves with five crackers and two sardines.
We demand a new miracle, and we demand it now. Let the church furnish at least one, or forever hold her peace."

- Robert G. Ingersoll

(December 21, 2017 at 3:20 am)ignoramus Wrote: (in no particular order)
Theists tell me, why is it that everything that God has provided, created and bestowed upon us, co-incidentally always seems to have
an alternate natural, more feasible explanation?

Why cannot science objectively find just one example out of trillions, where we can say, yeah, that thing right there, it shouldn't happen like that but it does, repeatedly.
That thing goes against what is logical or possible in our universe.
Example: People go back to Fatima, pray en masse for a sundance and on queue the Sun dances! For all the world to see?

Maybe it is the work of a God? They prayed to a God and a God responded... Makes logical sense.

But if God is going to act exactly like he doesn't exist in our universe, theists, why on earth do you even assume that he does?
What compels you to go against the grain of logic and common sense and dedicate your life to a particular myth from millions of other man made myths?

We just need one tiny example for God to show us something, but even that is asking too much for a non existent God.
Funny how everything in the world seems to make more sense when you take any extra unnecessary baggage out of the picture. (Occams)

Yeah, the world is a cruel place for the most part, but how is believing in something not real going to help anything or anyone.
Have we really reduced our species to relying on false hope to get by? We must have: 80% of the world does it.

(Even at the quantum level, weird shit happens, that isn't God! Why would the creator of the universe need to hide inside of atoms while we're all outside?
That's how our universe has been for 14 billion years, we're just discovering it now (last 100 years -through knowledge and technology.)

Interesting...

How do you know the universe is 14 billion years old?

It's reasonable to accept that conclusion based on the available evidence.

Where , in any religious text it says that it isn't 14 bilion years old ?

(December 21, 2017 at 4:19 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: It's reasonable to accept that conclusion based on the available evidence.

https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantu...verse.html

Quote:The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

So which is it?

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(December 21, 2017 at 4:28 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: Where , in any religious text it says that it isn't 14 bilion years old ?

Not sure of what point you're trying to make.

Interesting article

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(December 21, 2017 at 4:29 am)Huggy74 Wrote: So which is it?

I'm not qualified to choose which model is more accurate. Both are based on evidence, though, and that's the important thing. I could try to find a consensus among scientists, in which case, the big bang model would probably be the accepted one.

I know the Universe is 14 billion years old, because it had to show its driving license to get a drink.  So there.

Boru

(December 21, 2017 at 4:28 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: Where , in any religious text it says that it isn't 14 bilion years old ?

The bible. No matter how you count back the generations to Adam and Eve you can't get much further than James Ussher's guess of 6,000 years.

Huggy is a YEC? Damn!