(December 21, 2017 at 3:20 am)ignoramus Wrote: (in no particular order)
Theists tell me, why is it that everything that God has provided, created and bestowed upon us, co-incidentally always seems to have
an alternate natural, more feasible explanation?

Why cannot science objectively find just one example out of trillions, where we can say, yeah, that thing right there, it shouldn't happen like that but it does, repeatedly.
That thing goes against what is logical or possible in our universe.
Example: People go back to Fatima, pray en masse for a sundance and on queue the Sun dances! For all the world to see?

Maybe it is the work of a God? They prayed to a God and a God responded... Makes logical sense.

But if God is going to act exactly like he doesn't exist in our universe, theists, why on earth do you even assume that he does?
What compels you to go against the grain of logic and common sense and dedicate your life to a particular myth from millions of other man made myths?

We just need one tiny example for God to show us something, but even that is asking too much for a non existent God.
Funny how everything in the world seems to make more sense when you take any extra unnecessary baggage out of the picture. (Occams)

Yeah, the world is a cruel place for the most part, but how is believing in something not real going to help anything or anyone.
Have we really reduced our species to relying on false hope to get by? We must have: 80% of the world does it.

(Even at the quantum level, weird shit happens, that isn't God! Why would the creator of the universe need to hide inside of atoms while we're all outside?
That's how our universe has been for 14 billion years, we're just discovering it now (last 100 years -through knowledge and technology.)

True, God is hiding.
Guess why Ig?

Take a tiny seed.
Within that tiny seed is hiding a huge tree but you can't see a huge tree by looking at that seed.
In order to turn that tiny seed into a huge tree it need good soil, water, sun, air and so on.
The same thing happen with our seed within.
Once it is allowed to grow the true image of who we really are show more and more.
Unfortunately for them atheists are not interested and can't figure out who is behind that tiny seed that lie in the pineal gland so the seed within keep in the waiting room for ever.

(December 21, 2017 at 4:10 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 3:20 am)ignoramus Wrote: (in no particular order)
Theists tell me, why is it that everything that God has provided, created and bestowed upon us, co-incidentally always seems to have
an alternate natural, more feasible explanation?

Why cannot science objectively find just one example out of trillions, where we can say, yeah, that thing right there, it shouldn't happen like that but it does, repeatedly.
That thing goes against what is logical or possible in our universe.
Example: People go back to Fatima, pray en masse for a sundance and on queue the Sun dances! For all the world to see?

Maybe it is the work of a God? They prayed to a God and a God responded... Makes logical sense.

But if God is going to act exactly like he doesn't exist in our universe, theists, why on earth do you even assume that he does?
What compels you to go against the grain of logic and common sense and dedicate your life to a particular myth from millions of other man made myths?

We just need one tiny example for God to show us something, but even that is asking too much for a non existent God.
Funny how everything in the world seems to make more sense when you take any extra unnecessary baggage out of the picture. (Occams)

Yeah, the world is a cruel place for the most part, but how is believing in something not real going to help anything or anyone.
Have we really reduced our species to relying on false hope to get by? We must have: 80% of the world does it.

(Even at the quantum level, weird shit happens, that isn't God! Why would the creator of the universe need to hide inside of atoms while we're all outside?
That's how our universe has been for 14 billion years, we're just discovering it now (last 100 years -through knowledge and technology.)

Interesting...

How do you know the universe is 14 billion years old?

How do police investigate a traffic accident even though they didn't see it? CLUES!

It is the same principle as using a tape measure, except in the case of age, it is using the measurement of the speed of light and the time it travels. That allows us to look back in time.

FYI when you see the sun in the sky, you are looking into the past. It takes time for a photon to leave the sun and reach our planet. Knowing the age of the universe is simply using more data points at longer distances.

The same way cops can determine the cause of an accident through measuring where the impact happened, weight of the vehicles involved and where they end up tells them the speed.

"You were not there" Is a very childish ignorant argument and utter bullshit.

If Homicide investigators thought like that, we'd never catch murderers. 

OH AND  we also have COSMIC BACKGROUND MICROWAVE RADIATION, on top of being able to measure the speed of light.

(December 21, 2017 at 10:30 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 4:10 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Interesting...

How do you know the universe is 14 billion years old?

How do police investigate a traffic accident even though they didn't see it? CLUES!

It is the same principle as using a tape measure, except in the case of age, it is using the measurement of the speed of light and the time it travels. That allows us to look back in time.

FYI when you see the sun in the sky, you are looking into the past. It takes time for a photon to leave the sun and reach our planet. Knowing the age of the universe is simply using more data points at longer distances.

The same way cops can determine the cause of an accident through measuring where the impact happened, weight of the vehicles involved and where they end up tells them the speed.

"You were not there" Is a very childish ignorant argument and utter bullshit.

If Homicide investigators thought like that, we'd never catch murderers. 

OH AND  we also have COSMIC BACKGROUND MICROWAVE RADIATION, on top of being able to measure the speed of light.

CLUES can be misinterpreted, you act as if homicide investigators are never wrong.


https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantu...verse.html

Quote:The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

I'll ask you the same question...

which is it?

Because science is real and god is a silly invention of primitive fucktards.

(December 21, 2017 at 11:55 am)Huggy74 Wrote: CLUES can be misinterpreted, you act as if homicide investigators are never wrong.

Yeah, but they are often right. The 14 billion year estimate may be off (WAY off if the model discussed in your article is correct). Scientists make estimates. Sometimes their interpretations are wrong, but the observations, the facts still stand. They merely need to adjust their theories.

(December 21, 2017 at 3:20 am)ignoramus Wrote: (in no particular order)
Theists tell me, why is it that everything that God has provided, created and bestowed upon us, co-incidentally always seems to have
an alternate natural, more feasible explanation?

I wish I coud show you how trivial your 'more feesiable' explaination truly were. Often time in therotical science our beliefs are as feesible as the clai the world was flat several hundred years ago. You/we are taking the word/thoughts of but a hand full of people who have the equipment to even have the ablity to know, and even then everything we know is based on what those so few have explored. >3% has been viewed/map even less than that is understood. You are proud of ignorance. if you don't think everything man has to say about space time physics and the like is not foolish ignorance, the give it a few hundred more years. Time is the great destroyer of man's great wisdom.

Quote:Why cannot science objectively find just one example out of trillions, where we can say, yeah, that thing right there, it shouldn't happen like that but it does, repeatedly.

SERIOUSLY? either you are being obtuse or not even smart as the average 3rd grader. Even people who watch the discovery channel know better. This is true not only in science but in our history, ancient arecture 9the great prymids) or even why there are so many prymid type structures spread all over the world that happen to coincide with celestial body placements. to how something as simle as a duck billed platypus destroys our system of classifying life. to trying to explain a hole in space so large that if we were to call it a black hole we in our solar system hundred billion ligh years away would still be swallowed up by it. So rather than call it a black hole or better yet we don't know, they are claiming it to be a point in time and space with several alternative dimensions/realities are colliding together. You know alternate universes like the ones bazaro-superman comes from.

This is the foolish pride of man.. This is an example of the foolish pride/faith you have in science. This is a great example of no matter how stupid something is if it is packaged in the right "science" wrapping you will believe in anything no matter how stupid. Like Global warming, then global cooling then global climate change. hole in the ozon unless you buy product b instead of product a ect.. Now interdenominational fissher. we know this because 100 billion light years beyond what we could ever hope to see with our own eyes we from a singular point in time and space have reached out and witnessed a 'hole in space' (that may no longer be there as it take so long for that light to travel here) yet we know or package a theory as if we knew definitivly what this is. Yet to you This hole in space/time that 'should happen like that" is explain away by science as being an inter-dimensional porthole.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news...wormholes/

That thing goes against what is logical or possible in our universe. but for you it is as everything should be according to science... till it is wrong. like with global cooling.. hole in the ozone evolution..

Quote:Example: People go back to Fatima, pray en masse for a sundance and on queue the Sun dances! For all the world to see?

all crap when God is willing to work and speak to you directly. This is what is special about the bible's version of Christinity. No priests no go betweens no need for big grandiose things... Just you and God one on one. Look at doubting thomas.. what did he need to establish and maintain faith? Did He get what he said he needed or did God make a statue cry or make the sun stop?

Quote:Maybe it is the work of a God? They prayed to a God and a God responded... Makes logical sense.

How about having just enough faith to allow God to take you well beyond the help of anyone elses, you remain faithful in your trial, and he literally shows up to bring you back home?

Quote:But if God is going to act exactly like he doesn't exist in our universe, theists, why on earth do you even assume that he does?

Because He doesn't act that way to all of us.

Quote:What compels you to go against the grain of logic and common sense and dedicate your life to a particular myth from millions of other man made myths?

All it takes is a mustard seed's worth of faith for God to literally show up and change everything. Once you had an audience with the Holy Spirit/God nothing man can offer will ever make sense.

Quote:We just need one tiny example for God to show us something, but even that is asking too much for a non existent God.

Maybe that is just it... If you were not worshiping the God of the bible why would he support your version your god your personal ideas or defination?

He does not support our own/religious version of God so we do not pray and worship those false ideas... We must seek God out on His terms and to the best of our ablity follow him. Not some goofy religious version, but what the bible says.. f we can do that God promises to 'show up.

Quote:Funny how everything in the world seems to make more sense when you take any extra unnecessary baggage out of the picture. (Occams)

like science says everything is evolving when clearly we have evidence of everything devolving?

Quote:Yeah, the world is a cruel place for the most part, but how is believing in something not real going to help anything or anyone.
Have we really reduced our species to relying on false hope to get by? We must have: 80% of the world does it.

what a broken and hard heart you must have to not be able to see any redeeming qualities in God or following His commands.

Quote:(Even at the quantum level, weird shit happens, that isn't God! Why would the creator of the universe need to hide inside of atoms while we're all outside?
That's how our universe has been for 14 billion years, we're just discovering it now (last 100 years -through knowledge and technology.)

now open your mind to the next level of thought... Why would God make everything work supernaturally when He is the creator of the natural universe? SHOULDN'T There be a NATURAL Explanation to just about everything?

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(December 21, 2017 at 3:39 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

Quote:"We have heard talk enough. We have listened to all the drowsy, idealess, vapid sermons that we wish to hear. We have
read your Bible and the works of your best minds. We have heard your prayers, your solemn groans and your reverential
amens. All these amount to less than nothing. We want one fact. We beg at the doors of your churches for just one little
fact. We pass our hats along your pews and under your pulpits and implore you for just one fact. We know all about your
mouldy wonders and your stale miracles. We want a 'this year's fact'. We ask only one. Give us one fact for charity. Your
miracles are too ancient. The witnesses have been dead for nearly two thousand years. Their reputation for 'truth and
veracity' in the neighborhood where they resided is wholly unknown to us. Give us a new miracle, and substantiate it by
witnesses who still have the cheerful habit of living this world. Do not send us to Jericho to hear the winding horns, nor
put us in the fire with Shadrach, Meshech and Abednego. Do not compel us to navigate the sea with Captain Jonah, nor
dine with Mr. Ezekiel. There is no sort of use in sending us fox-hunting with Samson. We have positively lost all interest
in that little speech so eloquently delivered by Balaam's inspired donkey. It is worse than useless to show us fishes with
money in their mouths, and call our attention to vast multitudes stuffing themselves with five crackers and two sardines.
We demand a new miracle, and we demand it now. Let the church furnish at least one, or forever hold her peace."

- Robert G. Ingersoll

Here's your fact bobby:

Ask, and it will be given to you
SEEK, and you will find God
KNOCK (or repeat this process) and God Himself will open the door.

You guys remind me of luke looking for yoda for the first time on dagobah. He is looking for this great white obi wan Kenobi type... and what he finds is a little lizzard guy.. He all dismisses the little lizzard man because his only idea of a jedi master was old ben.

If you and or bobbie don't know aren't able to discern the facts God provides then how will you ever understand What you have already dismissed is what you have been looking for?

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(December 21, 2017 at 4:19 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: It's reasonable to accept that conclusion based on the available evidence.

 

What evidence? did you find a calendar that old? what kind of pics were on it?

(December 21, 2017 at 12:40 pm)Drich Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 4:19 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: It's reasonable to accept that conclusion based on the available evidence.

 

What evidence? did you find a calendar that old? what kind of pics were on it?

Seriously? Your going to post the comment which I quoted above and attribute the jackoff emoji to my post?

And for those of us who have A/S/K 'd and received nothing?

(December 21, 2017 at 1:13 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 12:40 pm)Drich Wrote:  

What evidence? did you find a calendar that old? what kind of pics were on it?

Seriously? Your going to post the comment which I quoted above and attribute the jackoff emoji to my post?

They say those things out of frustration for the most part because they're batting for the losing team.
My questions were rhetorical... They should have not attempted to answer.

I'd rather remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt!

Silence is golden, golden...