I said atheism, not atheists. Don't you fucking dare put words in my mouse and then throw your rattle at me.

(December 23, 2017 at 9:06 am)Cyberman Wrote: Know why atheism has no burden of proof?

It's because atheism isn't trying to prove anything.

Then it's a good thing that my request for evidence had nothing to do with any god now, isn't it?

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(December 23, 2017 at 8:47 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(December 23, 2017 at 12:19 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Take abiogenesis for example.

Life only comes from life, there is absolutely no evidence showing otherwise, if so then show me evidence of where non-life has produce life. If you can't then you make yourself a hypocrite by exercising faith in something for which no evidence exists.

How did god do it then?
What was the process it used?
Where did it get the materials?
Where is the evidence for any of the above?

You see, when you try to subject your silly notion to the same level of scrutiny you seem to want of science it falls apart instantly.

Oh and to prove that something did something you also need proof for that thing, got any?

See Stimbo, this is an example of irony...

First of all buddy, it is not a requirement of mine to have everything explained, I can accept that the supernatural exists... YOU'RE the one that has a problem acknowledging the supernatural.

Now how about you reconcile the questions you posed with abiogenesis and see just how ridiculous you sound.

Ok, can you demonstrate that the supernatural exists? Let's get out of neutral before we start driving anywhere.

(December 23, 2017 at 1:29 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Ok, can you demonstrate that the supernatural exists? Let's get out of neutral before we start driving anywhere.

Can you demonstrate abiogenesis?

(December 23, 2017 at 9:48 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(December 23, 2017 at 8:47 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: How did god do it then?
What was the process it used?
Where did it get the materials?
Where is the evidence for any of the above?

You see, when you try to subject your silly notion to the same level of scrutiny you seem to want of science it falls apart instantly.

Oh and to prove that something did something you also need proof for that thing, got any?

You can create a dream in your mind.
We all can.
However the subject in your dream is unable to do much in terms of creating something itself.

The first law of thermodynamics specify that the total amount of energy in a closed system cannot be created nor destroyed.
Human beings which are the mental creation of God are therefore unable to create something that didn't exist before.
To know how the whole system works we got to go back to the first creator and that is not an easy task.
As our dreams are not the reality also us human are not the real reality because we also are a creation however there is a way to go back to the real reality and to know the first creator.
As a tree create seeds that will turn into trees also God create consciousness in all his creation that will in due time turn in same image of his creator.
This consciousness is like a seed that under the proper condition will transform his creation into the original form of his creator.
Evolution is there to allow all this.  

Atheism however prevent evolution of the consciousness to proceed toward the goal of life.
Atheism just doesn't understand what evolution is all about.  

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(December 23, 2017 at 9:06 am)Cyberman Wrote: Know why atheism has no burden of proof?

It's because atheism isn't trying to prove anything.

Forget about atheism and concentrate about what most atheists say you included.

So when YOU say that the consciousness is a product of the brain you don't try to prove anything?

In this case wouldn't be better to say..........I think that .......the consciousness is a product of the brain......blah....blah.....blah?

Do you know what is the difference between a guess and a clear statement?  

Haha you always use those same 3 emojis

CL, I don't read his posts, I just like looking at the pictures! They're nice.

Same here

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It's always the bird, the light bulb, and the banging head. Other than seeing that, I don't read them.

(December 23, 2017 at 2:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(December 23, 2017 at 1:29 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Ok, can you demonstrate that the supernatural exists? Let's get out of neutral before we start driving anywhere.

Can you demonstrate abiogenesis?

That's rather a predictable way of saying no. Why should I have to demonstrate abiogenesis for you to be able to demonstrate the supernatural? Particularly when you know I don't chase herring?

Why should an Atheist have to explain Abiogenesis, they don't have anything to do with each other? Just because an atheist doesn't believe the claim that a supernatural being created the universe, doesn't mean that he has to justify his position by explaining every scientific theory or position. An Atheist could reject Abiogenesis and still reject the claim of supernatural beings.

Theists always fallacious use binary positions on many unexplainable things.
Goddidit is basically the default position for all things which cannot be proven or explained by science yet. And when things are proven to be natural, they move on to the next mystery. Theists basically become mutes without those 2 fallacies.
God of the gaps and binary thought.
It's all part of the compromise needed by the mental gymnastics.
I don't blame them really...