(December 25, 2017 at 5:59 pm)Starhunter Wrote: A really good video, thanks. 
It confirms what I thought. It's the great humanistic pill that nearly all will swallow...
It counts on two things, that the human mind is the ultimate criterion for knowledge and understanding, and that society will determine what clear thinking is. 
It also finishes beautifuly with the ideaology of the "collective future."

Wow, thanks for that, I'll be sharing it right away with people who know what the future holds.

Well I'm not sure what video you were watching to draw that conclusion, or even if you bothered to sit through the whole five minutes, but never mind. Try this one:

(December 25, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Starhunter Wrote:

(December 25, 2017 at 5:30 pm)Astreja Wrote: That's a rather serious accusation.  It could apply to any of us, you and me included.  Suffice to say that you do not inspire me to want to become Christian.

It applies to whom it was posted.

Then I trust that you have actual evidence for your accusation.  If not, would you kindly retract the accusation?

(December 25, 2017 at 6:18 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: Maybe someone will come and ruin it but all I can do is trust the human species , it is all we can do.
Caring people will be around forever because of emphaty.

Absolutely.

(December 25, 2017 at 6:24 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(December 25, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Starhunter Wrote: It applies to whom it was posted.

Then I trust that you have actual evidence for your accusation.  If not, would you kindly retract the accusation?

Want a prophecy with that? There's a special on this week.

(December 25, 2017 at 6:22 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

(December 25, 2017 at 5:59 pm)Starhunter Wrote: A really good video, thanks. 
It confirms what I thought. It's the great humanistic pill that nearly all will swallow...
It counts on two things, that the human mind is the ultimate criterion for knowledge and understanding, and that society will determine what clear thinking is. 
It also finishes beautifuly with the ideaology of the "collective future."

Wow, thanks for that, I'll be sharing it right away with people who know what the future holds.

Well I'm not sure what video you were watching to draw that conclusion, or even if you bothered to sit through the whole five minutes, but never mind. Try this one: video

Same deal. The video would have no appeal if it did not contain essential truths, and they're in there alright. 
Rational thinking is expected of God, but it is not to be the ultimate criterion for authority on truth. The Bible is that standard. It doesn't matter how misrepresented it is, and little it is read and understood, or how many religions or individuals are hypocritical, it remains on its own, and men will be judged by its standards, regardless of their knowledge of it.
It only takes 9 months to read it. 

There is no doubt that many religions pose irrationality, in creation theories or whatever. But we are not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Don't throw the Bible out with religion, it actually warns against false religous systems and deluded individuals, but it also warns against the fake battle between religion and science, and how that battle ends in world unity against God.

(December 25, 2017 at 6:24 pm)Astreja Wrote: Then I trust that you have actual evidence for your accusation.  If not, would you kindly retract the accusation?

Wikipedia Wrote:“Thou shalt not bear false witness” forbids: “1. Speaking falsely in any matter, lying, equivocating, and any way devising and designing to deceive our neighbor. 2. Speaking unjustly against our neighbor, to the prejudice of his reputation; and (which involves the guilty of both).

Maybe this'll coax him to do the right thing...

(December 25, 2017 at 6:20 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(December 25, 2017 at 6:12 pm)Starhunter Wrote: That's right, according to my experience, only the stones with gems in them are put to the grinder. That's all of us.
But I assume you are like me, that it is more difficult to cope with the knowledge of other people suffering, especially loved ones.

That doesn't make things more clear.

I know. I can't see any sense to suffering, except my own.

(December 25, 2017 at 6:40 pm)Starhunter Wrote: Rational thinking is expected of God, but it is not to be the ultimate criterion for authority on truth. The Bible is that standard.

No, the bible is the claim. If all you have to prop up your god is the storybook, then you lose the race at the first fence, because then you need to establish why we should take the storybook any way seriously. See, if we're talking about gods, pointing to mythology is a monstrous red herring. And I don't chase red herring. Swallowing the mythology uncritically is precisely the opposite of critical thinking. Remember the evidence filter?

(December 24, 2017 at 7:08 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: I'm not a Christian but I like a challenge( basicaly that is why I cam here and to know atheists).
Firstly lets go with the story. It is clear that the story is speaking about heaven( the penny) . Now the point is , why should you be bothered if someone who came to religion lately than you did if the reward is heaven? I mean , there is no reward bigger than heaven. The Bible is saying also that every sin is equal in the eyes of God , so basically from that view point you are as much as a sinner that the lately arrived.

The benefits of Christianity depend from person to person, it can help you have a better life quality. But I think the whole atheist/theist things is based on a missunderstanding. I think it gets cleare by the next thing:
All sins are equal in the eyes of God. Althoug somewhere in the bible says that you need to believe in order to be saved , I think the poin of the story it was not that only those who believe are saved but to make it clear that not-believing in the Son of God is a sin. And you can solve this with one statement " Forgive them because they don't know what they are doing", now in that situation, Jesus asks for forgivens for all people including the Romans that didn't believed in him nor God. So it doesn't matter if you are an atheist or theist.

Actually, I don’t see heaven as a reward.

Think about it. You’re going to spend eternity with a god who knows your thoughts before you think them and will hold you responsible for your thoughts even if you don’t act on them.

How long will you be happy in a situation like that?

The bible speaks of angels who left heaven and married women. These aren’t even the angels that rebelled with Satan. What was it about their heavenly experience that was so unsatisfactory they preferred to be with human women at a time when there was no Ivory soap or Right Guard?

Quote:In nearly all of your posts you make references to the other end of the torso, why is that?

Because xhristards are full of shit.