(January 2, 2018 at 11:01 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Scientific Laws are descriptions of phenomenon .

Nature exists beyond any man made "Law". Nature is not limited buy such "Laws" but rather, establishes itself beyond the limits of man's mind.

As he said, science just tries to make sense of this wondrous universe ... and no, it doesn't establish anything ...the universe is dumb and unconscious.

Unless of course ...faeries....

(January 2, 2018 at 11:11 pm)Haipule Wrote:

(January 2, 2018 at 11:01 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Scientific Laws are descriptions of phenomenon .

Nature exists beyond any man made "Law". Nature is not limited buy such "Laws" but rather, establishes itself beyond the limits of man's mind.

Science is a means of figuring out how the universe works. Laws are  our description of working. We don't know if nature is limited by what laws. Just because some laws are modified does not mean consisty cannot be determined .

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The law of modern classical gravity states 

"Every point mass attracts every single other point mass by a force pointing alongthe line intersecting both points. The force is proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them"

Are there any theists here who feel that science should keep its nose out of God's mysterious ways?

After all, all science is doing is diminishing God's mysterious ways. Everyday, credit is taken away from him.
I'd be furious if I was a theist...lol

Before you know it, God's lost all his power and is left having a one on one conversation with theists...
Shit, I might be too late! He's already doing that now!

(January 2, 2018 at 11:54 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Are there any theists here who feel that science should keep its nose out of God's mysterious ways?

After all, all science is doing is diminishing God's mysterious ways. Everyday, credit is taken away from him.
I'd be furious if I was a theist...lol

Before you know it, God's lost all his power and is left having a one on one conversation with theists...
Shit, I might be too late! He's already doing that now!

My glorious wonderful God is so grand and beautiful! He is as beautiful as a flower and as wondrous as a tree so FAR BEYOND man's ability. He is as the bee fly's and as perfect as a beetle flight. He is those magnificent beautiful fish who do seeming miracles everyday. He is the twinkling star and the roar of the waves. He is everything in nature that makes me awe and gasp. He is the squirrel who finds his treasure. The buck who finds a mate. He is the tempest and the butterfly. Everywhere I seek Him I find nothing but perfection, power and beauty.

The Apostle Paul said that I will know Him by the things He has made. I keep looking at the things He has made and found a good friend. Together we delight in His days. Party on Ig!

Haipule Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:Is this something you really believe? After all, it's falsifiable...just weigh a person who is sleep walking (spoiler: this isn't even remotely true).

You made me chuckle. You falsify it!

Yet, I realize that is a radical statement I made. Where did it come from? A: Tibetan monks called Lung Gom Pa. Coupled with a an old Hawaiian friend familiar with Kahuna "magic".

Anyway, scientific law and physics are plastic and constantly changing. Nothings proves this more then Maxwell's equations and their aftermath such as Nicola Tesla vs. Einstein. They were contemporizes whom did not see eye to eye on Maxwell's equations.

If you think science and physics are "Law" then you are handcuffed to the falsifiable. Likewise, anyone who thinks God's Word is "Law" is also handcuffed to the falsifiable. Exchanging truth for lies is stupid either way. 'nuff said!

So instead you handcuff yourself to obvious bullshit. Good job, you are awesome!

(January 2, 2018 at 11:00 pm)Haipule Wrote:

(January 2, 2018 at 10:49 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Science and physics are "Law" only in as much as our observation allows.
They are not laws in a legal sense ... fell free to disregard the eg: law of gravity next you want to go skydiving!  lol  It's certainly not illegal ... you may even win a Darwinian award...!

"Law of Gravity"? What is that? What goes up, must come down? Since when--Newton?

I hate to brake it to you but gravity is a scalar force.

Actually, Newtonian gravity is a vector force and in General Relativity, it is a tensor filed.

(January 2, 2018 at 11:11 pm)Haipule Wrote:

(January 2, 2018 at 11:01 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Scientific Laws are descriptions of phenomenon .

Nature exists beyond any man made "Law". Nature is not limited buy such "Laws" but rather, establishes itself beyond the limits of man's mind.

Luckily for our Hawaiian Haippy I am too technologically savvy deficient to post this in the hall of shame.

T: Scientific laws are descriptive.

H: They are not prescriptive!

It cannot be the case that physical life has always existed. The universe in much of its early condition was impossible for life to survive in, let alone form. There was nonlife, then at some point there was life. Whether the result of natural processes or divine intervention, life from non-life happened. Even the Bible agrees on that, unless God is supposed to be a biological organism with a metabolism, tropisms, etc.