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(January 2, 2018 at 11:01 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Scientific Laws are descriptions of phenomenon .
Nature exists beyond any man made "Law". Nature is not limited buy such "Laws" but rather, establishes itself beyond the limits of man's mind.
My girlfriend thinks I'm a stalker. Well...she's not my girlfriend "yet".
I discovered a new vitamin that fights cancer. I call it ...B9
I also invented a diet pill. It works great but had to quit taking it because of the side effects. Turns out my penis is larger and my hair grew back. And whoa! If you think my hair is nice!
When does size truly matter? When it's TOO big!
I'm currently working on a new pill I call "Destenze". However...now my shoes don't fit.
As he said, science just tries to make sense of this wondrous universe ... and no, it doesn't establish anything ...the universe is dumb and unconscious.
January 2, 2018 at 11:39 pm (This post was last modified: January 2, 2018 at 11:45 pm by Amarok.)
(January 2, 2018 at 11:11 pm)Haipule Wrote:
(January 2, 2018 at 11:01 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Scientific Laws are descriptions of phenomenon .
Nature exists beyond any man made "Law". Nature is not limited buy such "Laws" but rather, establishes itself beyond the limits of man's mind.
Science is a means of figuring out how the universe works. Laws are our description of working. We don't know if nature is limited by what laws. Just because some laws are modified does not mean consisty cannot be determined .
The law of modern classical gravity states
"Every point mass attracts every single other point mass by a force pointing alongthe line intersecting both points. The force is proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them"
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
Are there any theists here who feel that science should keep its nose out of God's mysterious ways?
After all, all science is doing is diminishing God's mysterious ways. Everyday, credit is taken away from him.
I'd be furious if I was a theist...lol
Before you know it, God's lost all his power and is left having a one on one conversation with theists...
Shit, I might be too late! He's already doing that now!
(January 2, 2018 at 11:54 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Are there any theists here who feel that science should keep its nose out of God's mysterious ways?
After all, all science is doing is diminishing God's mysterious ways. Everyday, credit is taken away from him.
I'd be furious if I was a theist...lol
Before you know it, God's lost all his power and is left having a one on one conversation with theists...
Shit, I might be too late! He's already doing that now!
My glorious wonderful God is so grand and beautiful! He is as beautiful as a flower and as wondrous as a tree so FAR BEYOND man's ability. He is as the bee fly's and as perfect as a beetle flight. He is those magnificent beautiful fish who do seeming miracles everyday. He is the twinkling star and the roar of the waves. He is everything in nature that makes me awe and gasp. He is the squirrel who finds his treasure. The buck who finds a mate. He is the tempest and the butterfly. Everywhere I seek Him I find nothing but perfection, power and beauty.
The Apostle Paul said that I will know Him by the things He has made. I keep looking at the things He has made and found a good friend. Together we delight in His days. Party on Ig!
My girlfriend thinks I'm a stalker. Well...she's not my girlfriend "yet".
I discovered a new vitamin that fights cancer. I call it ...B9
I also invented a diet pill. It works great but had to quit taking it because of the side effects. Turns out my penis is larger and my hair grew back. And whoa! If you think my hair is nice!
When does size truly matter? When it's TOO big!
I'm currently working on a new pill I call "Destenze". However...now my shoes don't fit.
Mister Agenda Wrote:Is this something you really believe? After all, it's falsifiable...just weigh a person who is sleep walking (spoiler: this isn't even remotely true).
You made me chuckle. You falsify it!
Yet, I realize that is a radical statement I made. Where did it come from? A: Tibetan monks called Lung Gom Pa. Coupled with a an old Hawaiian friend familiar with Kahuna "magic".
Anyway, scientific law and physics are plastic and constantly changing. Nothings proves this more then Maxwell's equations and their aftermath such as Nicola Tesla vs. Einstein. They were contemporizes whom did not see eye to eye on Maxwell's equations.
If you think science and physics are "Law" then you are handcuffed to the falsifiable. Likewise, anyone who thinks God's Word is "Law" is also handcuffed to the falsifiable. Exchanging truth for lies is stupid either way. 'nuff said!
So instead you handcuff yourself to obvious bullshit. Good job, you are awesome!
(January 2, 2018 at 10:49 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Science and physics are "Law" only in as much as our observation allows.
They are not laws in a legal sense ... fell free to disregard the eg: law of gravity next you want to go skydiving! lol It's certainly not illegal ... you may even win a Darwinian award...!
"Law of Gravity"? What is that? What goes up, must come down? Since when--Newton?
I hate to brake it to you but gravity is a scalar force.
Actually, Newtonian gravity is a vector force and in General Relativity, it is a tensor filed.
January 3, 2018 at 1:35 pm (This post was last modified: January 3, 2018 at 2:06 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(January 1, 2018 at 3:41 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:
(January 1, 2018 at 1:10 am)Tizheruk Wrote: I'm done . It's like arguing with with a snowman .
Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it? We're past Huggy not understanding 5th grade science. We're now at the point where he doesn't understand words and their meanings.
Oh so we want to talk about not understanding words? How about I bring up you and Pandaemoniums ignorance on the meaning of 'except'... smh
(March 11, 2016 at 2:40 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:
There are no rules to follow.... except you must repent and be baptized.
(March 11, 2016 at 6:57 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: Yeah so there aren't any rules apart from the rules.
Fuck me. Fuck everything.
(March 11, 2016 at 7:34 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Those are the exceptions, hence the word "except"
which only has to be completed once btw.
(March 11, 2016 at 7:53 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: So when you said there were no rules 'except' the rules, you had temporarily gone insane?
Right. Fuck everything.
(March 11, 2016 at 9:51 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Life must be very hard for you if you cant understand a simple statement...
read slowly
"There are no rules to follow.... except you must repent and be baptized."
meaning there aren't any rules to follow as a christian, except you must FIRST repent and be baptized. You must do THOSE before you can even call yourself a christian in the first place... Got it?
(March 12, 2016 at 4:11 am)Pandæmonium Wrote: Yeah Huggy, I get it. You said there were no rules and then said there were some rules.
If you need to post a few more times to clarify to everyone how that works be my guest. We don't mind.
If you need any help please let us all know. You can look up how to spell contradiction on Google.
(March 12, 2016 at 5:54 am)Huggy74 Wrote: No I like to responding to you; you have a habit of making a fool out of yourself and you genuinely don't realize it.
"There are no rules to follow.... except you must repent and be baptized."
That statement is NOT a contradiction because I explicitly made an exception.
Quote:https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/except
With the exception (that); used to introduce a clause, phrase or adverb forming an exception or qualification to something previously stated.
ex·cept
1. used before a statement that forms an exception to one just made.
"I didn't tell him anything, except that I needed the money"
I guess that's a contradiction also because this person "didn't tell him anything" except that he told him something?
LOL
Like I said You'll keep on believing you're right despite being proven otherwise.
What was that Esquilax saying about theists again?
(March 11, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Esquilax Wrote: The problem with christians- which is fully present in Kitan's OP- is that they never identify that error, which in this case is the root beliefs of their religion. Instead, they ignore the basics of logic in favor of making arguments to get to a preconceived conclusion, rather than using logic to reach whatever conclusion is best. The problem is the exclusive lack of logic that theism demands, were one to attempt to argue for theism.
*emphasis mine*
Pandæmonium seems to exhibit that very same behavior.
Let's see if Panda will ever get around to admitting his mistake...
(January 1, 2018 at 3:41 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: The clause "so far" doesn't mean what Huggy thinks it means. It doesn't mean "Everything is hunky dory with these wolves, so move along." It means "These documented problems will inevitably become a problem for the population on the whole." It's an implication. It's why the recommendation is for external breeding stock to be introduced, the sooner, the better.
The clause "so far" means there is no SCIENTIFIC DATA to support your claim that 2 wolves cannot produce a thriving population, what you are spewing is unsupported drivel. Since you love to jerk to the idea that science is self correcting, how about you wait until there's actual evidence before you claiming the inevitability of something.
What boggles my mind is that you believe that life somehow evolved from non life and that life has been evolving and adapting for millions of years yet somehow a viable population cannot be produced with only 2 wolves.
Not to mention only the Alpha male and female really only mate, so introducing an "external breeding stock" is no guarantee of anything.
(January 1, 2018 at 3:41 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: And, it's not like Huggy hasn't been confronted with this before. We've pointed out what minimum viability usually entails in terms of numbers of breeding pairs (hint: it's a hell of a lot more than what the bible claims was on the impossible Ark), and what will happen if it's not met. But, he's so consumed with proving us wrong that he's either unwilling or unable to learn and understand. He's more concerned with shoving his myths in our collective faces than actually understanding the world.
Huggy, like so many theists, is a reverse skeptic. He immediately buys into shit that cannot be proven, and is more than likely a bunch of bullshit (see: his assumption regarding Marilyn Hickey's missing uterus, Prophet Yaweh's UFO/angel summoning powers, the story of the Ark, etc.), but is skeptical of things directly observed/experimented/measured. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
*emphasis mine*
As I've pointed out there are many other factors used in determining the minimum viable population.
Quote:This term is used in the fields of biology, ecology, and conservation biology. More specifically, MVP is the smallest possible size at which a biological population can exist without facing extinction from natural disasters or demographic, environmental, or genetic stochasticity
It cannot be the case that physical life has always existed. The universe in much of its early condition was impossible for life to survive in, let alone form. There was nonlife, then at some point there was life. Whether the result of natural processes or divine intervention, life from non-life happened. Even the Bible agrees on that, unless God is supposed to be a biological organism with a metabolism, tropisms, etc.
