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#221
RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:30 pm
1. Atheism isn't a religion
2. Atheists have/exhibit morality
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:34 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 10:49 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(January 17, 2018 at 10:27 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -it's worth reading

Wow.

Quote:...but he expressly affirms the contrary in the fourteenth verse: "But death reigned", not only over those who imitated Adam, but "even over them also who have not sinned after the similitude of the transgression of Adam." Adam's sin, therefore, is the sole cause of death for the entire human race. Moreover, we can discern no natural connection between any sin and death.

I like how physiological causes aren't even considered. "Since we observe no causal link between an individual's sin and death, the only other possible alternative is that Adam's sin is responsible. Therefore, the doctrine of original sin." And all the baggage that comes with it...
(January 17, 2018 at 10:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I see that. Him and several others.

If it's any consolation, I think Khemkal is being unrealistic in his expectation that all Catholics conform to every edict contained within the Catechism. My family is Catholic. Most use birth control and engage in other behaviors frowned upon by the Papacy. It doesn't represent cognitive dissonance to differ with the Church on certain things, and it doesn't make them any less Catholic.

Personally I do adhere to the faith. Khem just likes to think he know more about Catholicism than someone who actually is a devout practicing Catholic. He likes to pretend he's giving me lessons.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:38 pm (This post was last modified: January 17, 2018 at 11:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Personally I adhere to the faith, except for that part about how I just told everyone I don;t adhere to a core and foundational doctrine of the catholic church..original sin.

I'm not positing that I know more about your faith than you do, trollerina...I'm suggesting that the catholic church, and their official doctrine...does...argue with them until you;re blue in the face...convinced the whole time your arguing with me. Their opinion on the heretical theological musings of women is world renowned.

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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:41 pm
Argue Can we try to be more productive?
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:43 pm (This post was last modified: January 17, 2018 at 11:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Heheh, don't worry, she has me on ignore. Keep it rolling, what are we headed for next?
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:46 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 11:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Heheh, don't worry, she has me on ignore. 

You've been excommunicated.  Tongue
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:46 pm
Inconveniently orthodoxal, I guess.  Wink
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:50 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 11:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Keep it rolling, what are we headed for next?

IDK, it's off the thread topic, but Varieties of Religious Experience is proving to be an interesting read. You familiar with James at all?
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:51 pm (This post was last modified: January 17, 2018 at 11:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Only from a murky convo on the boards..actually, what's he got up his sleeve?
(hahaha, now I remember, 1900's timothy leary! - totally down for this one!)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 17, 2018 at 11:57 pm (This post was last modified: January 17, 2018 at 11:57 pm by Whateverist.)
(January 17, 2018 at 11:38 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Personally I adhere to the faith, except for that part about how I just told everyone I don;t adhere to a core and foundational doctrine of the catholic church..original sin.

I'm not positing that I know more about your faith than you do, trollerina...I'm suggesting that the catholic church, and their official doctrine...does...argue with them until you;re blue in the face...convinced the whole time your arguing with me.  Their opinion on the heretical theological musings of women is world renowned.  

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My impression is that there is an institutional tolerance bordering on commitment to encouraging a wide range of belief levels, ranging between the literal with an emphasis on rule following on up to someone like Mother Teresa who recognized she no longer believed in God at all.  The pope she corresponded with about it touted her struggle to continue in her convictions even without belief laudable.  

Then there was that person at the Vatican interviewed by Bill Mayer for Religulous who was very openly accepting of this even as he conceded the difficulties for the literally minded.




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