(January 21, 2018 at 5:38 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Your argument is vapid.

You give MK too much credit.

another clear proof, and we don't have even one yet . . . .

(January 21, 2018 at 5:38 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: You’ll have to be able to define god before you try proving he’s real, MK.

The one to define God and mark the way to him, and mark you and show you who you truly are, is the guide if the people of our time, you call him morality, the world ignores him, but he is their leader and guide, the abandoned one who witness them all and calls them back to God through a true calling.

Samuel means name of God and the bible iterates the truth I speak here very well. Sure it has contradictions but it has the truth of God's Name.

And Saul was not what he was made out to be, but it makes sense, the most essential revelation was the name of Samuel.  And it was getting good with Saul meaning asked for and it was more then just Isrealites asking for a king, but pertained to Moses' prayer regarding the knot on his tongue.

It turned 180 against all that it emphasized on to that point, and then returns to the true message later. 

The Quran corrects this corruption and fills in the gaps of what Samuel (a Prophet who's name means name of God) truly said regarding Saul (Talut).

And in that lies the cure and vision humans seek, the tranquility they long for.

And peace be upon the family of Yaseen, for indeed he was one of the Messengers, upon a straight path.

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(January 21, 2018 at 5:38 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: goodness in all possible worlds has one definition and reality and since we know it's possible it originates from the aliens who put us here, while we don't know it's possible it originates from anything else, it's proven to be from the aliens who put us here.

Aliens can't define morality and dictate us on how to act, nor can they define us and then we are expected to act according to our nature. The same is true of chaotic forces like mutations and what not.

(January 21, 2018 at 4:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Among the arguments I know conclusively proves God: "goodness in all possible worlds has one definition and reality" and since we know it's possible it originates from God while we don't know it's possible it originates from anything else, it's proven to be from God.

That is a dumbed down "god of the gaps" argument mingled with a large dose of special pleading.

"goodness" does not have a single definition

We cannot know if it is possible that it originates from any god since none have been demonstrated to exist.

We cannot know that it is impossible to originate anywhere else. In fact, we have a damn good idea where "goodness" originates from evolutionary biology.

(January 21, 2018 at 5:59 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

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Aliens can't define morality and dictate us on how to act, nor can they define us and then we are expected to act according to our nature.

They can if I say they can.  Don’t you realize that that’s how this works?  I just know it, MK.  I can feel the power and truth of their love.  Their absolute essence has shown me the light of the one path, and path to oneness, which is that of pure goodness.  I just hope that some day you can see the truth of them for yourself.  I mean, I provided you a clear proof, and you still refuse to believe.  😏

If you called God through his beautiful names and appointed Guides and treasured Signs and Clear proofs, who are each the path to God and they are all that path to God, he will respond.

So find that reminder from God and strive, and don't hate the chosen families, and love them for they are the means to God and the way to recognize yourself.

I got to go for today.

(January 21, 2018 at 5:28 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(January 21, 2018 at 5:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Bold mine.

Are you suggesting that there are no possible alternative explanations for human morality besides god?  Because, that’s just factually incorrect. 

Try again, MK.  Or...don’t.

If you agree with goodness in all possible worlds has one definition and reality, and we know it's possible it is from God, then that proves we don't know it's possible it originates from another else but even further more, it proves it to be from God, and proves we know the other explanations are impossible scenarios for goodness to exist.

Another way to look at is to say there is only one possible explanation for goodness since goodness is defined the same in all possible worlds and we do know it is possible from God, and hence we know one explanation is possible, and hence that explanation is proven to be true.

Don't confuse this with what people claim can explain goodness  is or what they claim can define it.

This is the most word salad I've seen in quite a while.

(January 21, 2018 at 4:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Among the arguments I know conclusively proves God: "goodness in all possible worlds has one definition and reality" and since we know it's possible it originates from God while we don't know it's possible it originates from anything else, it's proven to be from God.

That's not proof, that's sexual assault to the english language.

Do you know how I can tell that you haven't proved any god, MK?

Because you're preaching on an internet forum, rather than going public with all this 'conclusive proof'. You could go down as the most famous man in history. Instead, you're here trying to convince yourself.

(January 21, 2018 at 6:28 pm)SaStrike Wrote:

(January 21, 2018 at 4:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Among the arguments I know conclusively proves God: "goodness in all possible worlds has one definition and reality" and since we know it's possible it originates from God while we don't know it's possible it originates from anything else, it's proven to be from God.

That's not proof, that's sexual assault to the english language.

Careful SS - There's accusations in them there words.