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The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
(February 2, 2018 at 6:48 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(February 2, 2018 at 6:33 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Grasping at straws I see...

You're conflating two different translations there buddy.

In case you didn't know the Old Testament was originally in Hebrew while the New Testament was originally in Greek.

The Hebrew word for serpent has a completely different origin / meaning than the Greek word.

If I wasn't posting from my phone I'd include recipts.

Lesson over.

Dragons in any language are still dragons. Magic book has dragons popping out of the demonhole, apparently..so take it up with magic book..not me, or words. You think dragon-men were coming here, stealing our women and our jobs, causing crime and raping and murdering people, etc. You'll have to take that one up with yourself.
Except 'dragon' isnt mentioned in Genesis, which still begs the question; how did you conclude I was talking about a dragon in the garden of Eden?
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
(February 2, 2018 at 6:50 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 2, 2018 at 6:44 pm)Antares Wrote: I will have to add Man-Snake to my list of ridiculous biblical characters. Revelations is rife with them.  Rolleyes

Why do you guys always jump to the conclusion that it was a snake looking man and not just a normal looking man? If I had the power to turn you into a snake does that automatically mean that you must look like a snake before hand?  It would seem the one thing you atheists have in common is the lack of imagination.

That is not a “snake looking man”, that is a man looking snake. The infamous reptilian apple salesman that offered truth to Eve.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
Tall tales usually get bigger in the retelling...Huggy's..otoh, shrivel.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
(February 2, 2018 at 6:54 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: I'll say this for you, Huggy: 'imagination' is not something you lack. At all.

I'm curious about something. How does the Septuagint render the word for the snake/serpent/whatever in Genesis and how does that compare with the Greek in Rev. 20:2? Is it the same word or not?
Like I said I'm posting from my phone so I'm not able to post up quotes like I want.

But simply put, the word for serpent in Hebrew is Nachash which means "shining one"

The Greek word is ophin which means "snake", however the origin of the word is Ophion, from Greek mythology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophion
Quote:Robert Graves in his book The Greek Myths imaginatively reconstructs a Pelasgian creation myth involving Ophion as a serpent created by a supreme goddess called Eurynome dancing on the waves. She is fertilized by the serpent and in the form of a dove lays an egg on the waters about which Ophion entwines until it hatches and the world issues forth. Then Ophion and Eurynome dwell on Mt. Olympus until Ophion boasts that he made the world alone. Eurynome, as punishment, kicked out his teeth and banished him to the underworld. From Ophion's teeth sprang Pelasgus who taught man all the arts and crafts.

Interesting Thinking
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
If you say so.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
Only if you're suggesting that the hebrew and christian mythical narratives are somehow derivative of or related to......greek myth.

Is that what you're suggesting, Hugs?  Well knock me over with a feather!

Rolleyes

Meanwhile, a talking snake with arms and legs is a dragon in any language, lol. If you're telling me that the dragon in rev isn;t the same dragon as the one in genesis...then you;re just adding another dragon..so now there are three instead of two. Like I said, dragons popping out the demonhole.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
(February 2, 2018 at 6:27 pm)Haipule Wrote: This is kinda outta left field. I know, I know what's new? But...

Jesus said "Pick up your cross and follow Me".

stauros translated "cross" is a stick, especially one with a point at one end--stake. Jesus merely said that if you want to be my disciple(student) then you must 'pull up (tent)stakes' and follow Me or you will not have all the info because I got places to go and people to see and I ain't goin' to be here tomorrow.

Yet, you cannot believe how much Christianity has turned that simple pre-cross phrase into the rocket science of bearing crosses!

This is also how I view the doctrine of the "Trinity"--also completely stupid!

From the viewpoint of the God-Man's humanity, He prayed to His Father. From the viewpoint of His Deity, He is the Father. The Head of the house. The "I AM"! We are the house.

Except your boy didn't speak Greek.  He spoke Aramaic.

(February 2, 2018 at 5:29 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote:
(February 2, 2018 at 5:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Trinitarianism was so clearly "revealed" that it very nearly lost out to Arianism which diametrically opposed it.  It spread among the Germanic barbarians who overran the Western Roman Empire.  In 410 the Arian Goths sacked Rome and how much better the world would have been if they had wiped out the catholick assholes who were exerting their bullshit over Italy.  Oh well....such are the failings of history.

Nonetheless, the trinity was not so much "revealed" as it was imposed by the Eastern half of the empire.  War, not scripture, determined how your bullshit succeeded.

Ssssshh! Don't confuse him with facts. This isn't a factual conversation, Min. We're supposed to be talking about the Trinity.

I can't help myself.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
(February 2, 2018 at 8:34 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Only if you're suggesting that the hebrew and christian mythical narratives are somehow derivative of or related to......greek myth.

Is that what you're suggesting, Hugs?  Well knock me over with a feather!

Rolleyes

Meanwhile, a talking snake with arms and legs is a dragon in any language, lol.  If you're telling me that the dragon in rev isn;t the same dragon as the one in genesis...then you;re just adding another dragon..so now there are three instead of two.  Like I said, dragons popping out the demonhole.

First provide a link to anywhere I stated anything about a talking snake with arms and legs, if you can't then you are deliberately misrepresenting my position which is basically trolling. Let's see if the mods feel the need to address THAT.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
(February 2, 2018 at 5:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 2, 2018 at 4:51 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Lol, Huggy, you’re failing to see the forest through the trees here.  What was the serpent then, genetically and biologically speaking?
Biologically he was close enough to the human species to be able to sexually reproduce with Eve, you guys accuse me of making that up but that is according to Jewish tradition, furthermore there in no mention of Cain in the genealogy of Adam.

This is just as good as I remembered, lol.  You should write sci-fi fan fiction.

Quote:The same way he "appeared" the universe, by speaking.

So, Magic.  Got it.

Quote:Let's stop with the hypocrisy, YOU accept abiogenesis is true with out being able to explain how it happened... So just stop.

More like you refuse to accept even the remotest possibility of abiogenesis, despite believing without question that a hybrid human-serpent creature reproduced with a human woman who was poofed into existence from a rib bone. Please, go on.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
(February 2, 2018 at 6:33 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 2, 2018 at 6:13 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Well, it's the bible that describes the dragon, and tells us how he lost his limbs and was made on crawl on his belly.  It's not the only dragon in magic book, either.  There's the dragon that swallowed that poor schmuck as well.

It would seem that rev 20:2 makes one thing explicit....
You were saying?
Grasping at straws I see...

You're conflating two different translations there buddy.

In case you didn't know the Old Testament was originally in Hebrew while the New Testament was originally in Greek.

The Hebrew word for serpent has a completely different origin / meaning than the Greek word.

If I wasn't posting from my phone I'd include recipts.

Lesson over.

Here's a cool story about Bel and the Dragon from the Bible = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=CEB
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