(February 3, 2018 at 1:14 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 12:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote: A-M loves the republicunt health care plan.  That is, "if you're rich enough to go to a doctor you can.  Otherwise, fucking die you poor piece of trash."  No one will ever confuse you with a humanitarian, A-M.

Rich? When I was 23 I got a job at a convenience store that gave me health insurance. If you work harder than other people, it's not that tough to have health insurance.

Dude, it's not about whether you have health insurance or not. It's whether or not having health insurance makes a difference when you're seriously ill. My endocrinologist knew I had all of the symptoms of adrenal tumors, but had to argue with my health insurance about paying for scans. If she hadn't, the out-of-pocket would have been insane, even though I have health insurance. I could have sat around with adrenal cancer (a very hard-to-treat condition if it isn't treated right away), and they wouldn't have given a flying fuck. (Note: I don't have adrenal cancer. Without the scan, we wouldn't have known and would have had to continue doing blood work every three months for years.)

(February 3, 2018 at 1:14 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 12:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote: A-M loves the republicunt health care plan.  That is, "if you're rich enough to go to a doctor you can.  Otherwise, fucking die you poor piece of trash."  No one will ever confuse you with a humanitarian, A-M.

Rich? When I was 23 I got a job at a convenience store that gave me health insurance. If you work harder than other people, it's not that tough to have health insurance.

Are you saying health care should only be for the very hardest workers? Because if so that's ridiculous.

(February 3, 2018 at 1:14 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 12:30 pm)Minimalist Wrote: A-M loves the republicunt health care plan.  That is, "if you're rich enough to go to a doctor you can.  Otherwise, fucking die you poor piece of trash."  No one will ever confuse you with a humanitarian, A-M.

Rich? When I was 23 I got a job at a convenience store that gave me health insurance. If you work harder than other people, it's not that tough to have health insurance.

Lol. TIL that all health insurance plans are equal, I guess. I'll tell you right now that if it weren't for Medicare Part B I wouldn't have been able to afford dialysis treatments or a kidney transplant. Good ol Nixon gave kidney patients socialism in the 70s. Other people aren't so lucky.

(February 3, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Shell B Wrote: Dude, it's not about whether you have health insurance or not.

According to the article it was.

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(February 3, 2018 at 2:57 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 1:14 pm)alpha male Wrote: Rich? When I was 23 I got a job at a convenience store that gave me health insurance. If you work harder than other people, it's not that tough to have health insurance.

Are you saying health care should only be for the very hardest workers? Because if so that's ridiculous.

I'm saying that people have some personal responsibility to see that they have insurance.

In this case, they say he was a skilled carpenter, yet couldn't afford health insurance. That means he wasn't disciplined enough to be self-employed, and should have been working for an employer with health benefits.

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(February 3, 2018 at 3:28 pm)Aegon Wrote: Lol. TIL that all health insurance plans are equal, I guess. I'll tell you right now that if it weren't for Medicare Part B I wouldn't have been able to afford dialysis treatments or a kidney transplant. Good ol Nixon gave kidney patients socialism in the 70s. Other people aren't so lucky.

Not so lucky? That attitude is part of the issue. People pay for everything else in life, but act as if you need luck to pay medical bills. No, you need insurance, and a savings account with money for deductibles. If you work hard and don't buy lottery tickets, you can have those things.

(February 3, 2018 at 3:28 pm)alpha male Wrote: If you work hard and don't buy lottery tickets, you can have those things.

Today I learned that being wealthy is as simple as not buying lottery tickets.

Quote:If you work hard and don't buy lottery tickets, you can have those things.

Fuck your a heartless bastard

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Quote:Rich? When I was 23 I got a job at a convenience store that gave me health insurance. If you work harder than other people, it's not that tough to have health insurance.

Spoken like a true sociopath

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It's oft blurted by the rich and powerful the hard work= Wealth this is less a fact of reality and more a way of self righteous lecturing .

I guess it's a good thing for people like Alpha that the world is full of first responders, medical pros, and other regular people that will drag shitty human beings who talk about bank account balances and "discipline" out of danger.

Yup douchebag like Beta succeeded only because the rest of us are not like him . If we were he would either be dead or in a chinese style sweatshop with a drill instructor style manger scream "Work harder if you want bread "

(February 3, 2018 at 3:28 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 3:28 pm)Aegon Wrote: Lol. TIL that all health insurance plans are equal, I guess. I'll tell you right now that if it weren't for Medicare Part B I wouldn't have been able to afford dialysis treatments or a kidney transplant. Good ol Nixon gave kidney patients socialism in the 70s. Other people aren't so lucky.

Not so lucky? That attitude is part of the issue. People pay for everything else in life, but act as if you need luck to pay medical bills. No, you need insurance, and a savings account with money for deductibles. If you work hard and don't buy lottery tickets, you can have those things.

What percentage of people could afford that kind of treatment I received, even with insurance and savings? I was 21 at the time, covered by my father's insurance. He is a very hard working man, being able to provide for me on his salary. Not to mention the cost of public college that he and I pooled our money together to pay for (I'll still graduate $30k in the hole though). He has good insurance, but not good enough. Savings? It's been blown through. I made several thousand dollars working summer jobs in my life but it's all gone now.

So, yeah, "lucky." If my health problem wasn't something that could be footed by Medicare despite my young age then who knows what would have happened. That's what I mean by "lucky."

Nobody, including you, should be allowed to dictate who lives and who dies by acting like certain people deserve access to health care and others don't. This coldness is embedded in the "success myth," a component of economic individualism that is rotting the moral fabric of our society to its very core. The rest of the world looks at us in shame; they don't understand how the government can let people go bankrupt from medical bills or get sick and/or die because they can't afford health care. Even serious conservatives in other countries don't understand it. And I don't understand it either.

Quote:Not so lucky? That attitude is part of the issue. People pay for everything else in life, but act as if you need luck to pay medical bills. No, you need insurance, and a savings account with money for deductibles. If you work hard and don't buy lottery tickets, you can have those things.

Again fuck you