Banned, out of curiosity, why are you here at AF?

(February 3, 2018 at 11:16 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(February 2, 2018 at 8:19 pm)Banned Wrote: By reading the Bible and the whole consequences of that in my life.

Give it up, Cyberman. Even if you have read the entire bible there is no way you're ever going to know the whole consequences of his having done so. Therefore unlike Banned you'll never know what Christ said.

I'm just curious as to how far the goalposts have to move.

(February 3, 2018 at 1:03 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 11:16 am)Whateverist Wrote: Give it up, Cyberman.  Even if you have read the entire bible there is no way you're ever going to know the whole consequences of his having done so.  Therefore unlike Banned you'll never know what Christ said.

Geez. I've read the entire bible many times and the consequences are irritation and aggravation.

Was there anything in particular that aggravated you?

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(February 3, 2018 at 1:15 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Banned, out of curiosity, why are you here at AF?

I've heard about Atheists, but did not know why they think what they do, and at the same time I did not assume that they were any different than most human beings, including myself.
As far as I am concerned, people have just been exposed to different social circumstances that influence them in their decisions.
I think that Atheists are entitled to know more about what the SDA church has accumulated over the years, because of the comprehensive knowledge that it has which isn't even known by many of their own members, due to their own slackness, and a glut of false teachers and leaders.

When I say comprehensive knowledge of SDA's, they have in their writings the knowledge on how to avoid all of the major diseases, and the keys to longevity.
The average SDA today lives 10 years longer than any other culture in the world.
That figure was much higher in the past.

There have been other cultures up to the 1980's which were equal to the SDA's in longevity, but modern life style has reduced those numbers for them as well.

If SDA's had been faithful to their teachings since the mid 1800's, some of their descendants would be living up to and over 200 years old without experiencing disease and illness. And most people will immediately scoff at that.
The best that SDA;s have accomplished was in the 1960's where their longevity almost doubled the average. While people were dying in their fifties, they were living up to their nineties and over.
But as apostasy and fashionable thinking came in, the age was reduced to 25 years longer in the late 1980's. That figure has been falling ever since they gave up their traditional teachings and became like the nominal churches of Christendom.
The average age of the common population has also risen from around 55 to 69 + since the 1960's.

SDA's were certainly not the only line of long living people, but the causes of longevity are universal, and some cultures and families have unknowingly practiced
some of SDA health reform.

The source of SDA knowledge comes from principles outlined in the Bible.
God would like people to be wise and help themselves to avoid as much suffering as possible, but also to have a healthy mind that is able to have an intelligent understanding of truth.

It is not likely that the world will ever accept what God has given, but they are still entitled to know about it. And the same applies to everything that SDA's have been privy to, which God intended all should know.

It is inevitable that while I learn about atheists, they will learn about SDA's, and I hope that I have been balanced in that exchange.

(February 3, 2018 at 3:43 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 11:16 am)Whateverist Wrote: Give it up, Cyberman. Even if you have read the entire bible there is no way you're ever going to know the whole consequences of his having done so. Therefore unlike Banned you'll never know what Christ said.

I'm just curious as to how far the goalposts have to move.

You can only be accepted for what and who you are in the moment, without any changes, otherwise it isn't acceptance at all.
Christ gave the parable of the Shepherd who left the fold and went after the lost one.
God is interested in those who have nothing to offer except themselves as they are, without modification.
Because as soon as a change is required for love, it is no longer love, but a perverse recruitment.

(February 3, 2018 at 5:52 pm)Banned Wrote:

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(February 3, 2018 at 1:03 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Geez. I've read the entire bible many times and the consequences are irritation and aggravation.

Was there anything in particular that aggravated you?

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(February 3, 2018 at 1:15 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Banned, out of curiosity, why are you here at AF?

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Quote:I've heard about Atheists, but did not know why they think what they do, and at the same time I did not assume that they were any different than most human beings, including myself.
As far as I am concerned, people have just been exposed to different social circumstances that influence them in their decisions.
I think that Atheists are entitled to know more about what the SDA church has accumulated over the years, because of the comprehensive knowledge that it has which isn't even known by many of their own members, due to their own slackness, and a glut of false teachers and leaders.

When I say comprehensive knowledge of SDA's, they have in their writings the knowledge on how to avoid all of the major diseases, and the keys to longevity.
The average SDA today lives 10 years longer than any other culture in the world.
That figure was much higher in the past.

There have been other cultures up to the 1980's which were equal to the SDA's in longevity, but modern life style has reduced those numbers for them as well.

If SDA's had been faithful to their teachings since the mid 1800's, some of their descendants would be living up to and over 200 years old without experiencing disease and illness. And most people will immediately scoff at that.
The best that SDA;s have accomplished was in the 1960's where their longevity almost doubled the average. While people were dying in their fifties, they were living up to their nineties and over.
But as apostasy and fashionable thinking came in, the age was reduced to 25 years longer in the late 1980's. That figure has been falling ever since they gave up their traditional teachings and became like the nominal churches of Christendom.
The average age of the common population has also risen from around 55 to 69 + since the 1960's.

SDA's were certainly not the only line of long living people, but the causes of longevity are universal, and some cultures and families have unknowingly practiced
some of SDA health reform.

The source of SDA knowledge comes from principles outlined in the Bible.
God would like people to be wise and help themselves to avoid as much suffering as possible, but also to have a healthy mind that is able to have an intelligent understanding of truth.

It is not likely that the world will ever accept what God has given, but they are still entitled to know about it. And the same applies to everything that SDA's have been privy to, which God intended all should know.

It is inevitable that while I learn about atheists, they will learn about SDA's, and I hope that I have been balanced in that exchange.

If you are a SDA are you personally on track to live to be 200 years old?  After all, you know the secret so it should be easy for you to do it.

(February 3, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Banned Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 3:43 pm)Cyberman Wrote: I'm just curious as to how far the goalposts have to move.

You can only be accepted for what and who you are in the moment, without any changes, otherwise it isn't acceptance at all.
Christ gave the parable of the Shepherd who left the fold and went after the lost one.
God is interested in those who have nothing to offer except themselves as they are, without modification.
Because as soon as a change is required for love, it is no longer love, but a perverse recruitment.

And I repeat, how do you know any of this? You're making some pretty definitive knowledge claims; I want to see the justification for them.

(February 3, 2018 at 5:52 pm)Banned Wrote: [quote='LadyForCamus' pid='1697172' dateline='1517678132']
Banned, out of curiosity, why are you here at AF?

Quote:I've heard about Atheists, but did not know why they think what they do, and at the same time I did not assume that they were any different than most human beings, including myself.

That’s a peculiar answer, because as far as I can tell, you haven’t made even the slightest effort to learn about our position.  You haven’t made any attempt to get to know any of us as people.  All I’ve seen you do is peddle the Bible, without reasonable justification to do so.

Quote:As far as I am concerned, people have just been exposed to different social circumstances that influence them in their decisions.

Oh, okay.  So, you were lying just now when you said you didn’t know why we think what we think.  Clearly, you think you do know.  According to you, lack of god-belief is just a matter of exposure to ‘different social circumstances.’  You must think you had us figured out before you even registered here, am I right? So...rather than ask questions about our reasoning, and actually learn about our position, you’re just going to stick with the incorrect assumptions about atheism that you rode in on, and peddle your perceived solution to our “problem”: SDA.

Quote:I think that Atheists are entitled to know more about what the SDA church has accumulated over the years, because of the comprehensive knowledge that it has which isn't even known by many of their own members, due to their own slackness, and a glut of false teachers and leaders.

I think that if you bothered to learn a thing about my position, you’d know that I lack a belief in any and all god claims made by humans; you’d know why I lack such a belief, and you’d understand that I reject the truth claims of all religions, equally.  If you’d known these things about me, you would have realized how silly it is to think that introducing me to yet another sub-sect of Christianity would actually change my mind about the existence of a God.

(February 3, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Banned Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 3:43 pm)Cyberman Wrote: I'm just curious as to how far the goalposts have to move.

You can only be accepted for what and who you are in the moment, without any changes, otherwise it isn't acceptance at all.

That is not the christian way. Tell me, why do atheists accept my eldest child but christians do not?

(February 3, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Banned Wrote: Christ gave the parable of the Shepherd who left the fold and went after the lost one.

No, that is in the book, but nobody knows if any jebus said any such thing ever.

(February 3, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Banned Wrote: God is interested in those who have nothing to offer except themselves as they are, without modification.

Interesting. Your god is apparently not at all interested in bone cancer in infants.

(February 3, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Banned Wrote: Because as soon as a change is required for love, it is no longer love, but a perverse recruitment.

Perverse recruitment? That's religion by definition.

Think of religious people like alchoholics going to AA. They are going because they want to improve something about themselves. Some people are bad people for whatever reason and that’s their baseline. For them improving is a constant fight against their inner will. For them to not “drink” they must admit to themselves they are always an alchoholic and they have no control when or how it happens. Same for “sinners” (easily referred to bad people). Religion can work to save bad people from being bad, the problem lies when normal people diagnose themselves as bad people. Not everyone is an alchoholic, or a bad person but both are misdiagnosed all the time. Now I don’t want this to be confused with me condoning religion, but rather me saying it is an effective 12 step program to saving bad people.

The only thing the SDA has accumulated over the years is money, lunatic followers, and a hilarious string of failed doomsday prophecies.