(February 19, 2018 at 4:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 18, 2018 at 1:22 am)Astreja Wrote: I'm not in the habit of believing in things that "might be" there.  I could waste the whole day trying to believe in this, that and the other thing, but the bottom line is that I am neurologically incapable of religious belief.  I've been this way since I was a child, if not from birth.  My bullshit detector is locked permanently in the always-on position, and as a result my brain cannot generate any trust or faith in things that violate reality and for which there is no credible evidence.

*Emphasis mine*

According to "reality" life only comes from life, yet...

(November 15, 2016 at 7:26 pm)Astreja Wrote: Finally, I believe that at some undetermined point in the history of Earth, abiogenesis had to take place in order for the first life forms to emerge from organic molecules

Apparently you do hold beliefs in things that violate reality.

What life did your god come from?

(February 19, 2018 at 4:30 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(February 18, 2018 at 1:22 am)Astreja Wrote: Ah, but one can actually detect radio waves!  (Don't try to BS me on this -- I come from a family of scientists, including an electronics engineer, and I had a chart of the electromagnetic spectrum pinned to my bedroom wall at one point in my childhood.)

I'm not in the habit of believing in things that "might be" there.  I could waste the whole day trying to believe in this, that and the other thing, but the bottom line is that I am neurologically incapable of religious belief.  I've been this way since I was a child, if not from birth.  My bullshit detector is locked permanently in the always-on position, and as a result my brain cannot generate any trust or faith in things that violate reality and for which there is no credible evidence.

 Yet you believe in evolution. Scientist say that the universe is destroying itself, that this galaxy is making few stars because it's running out of material for such activity and supposedly this is one of the younger galaxies. So if the universe is on a path to total destruction then why on this one little planet would evolution be in effect. Goes against all logic.

GC

Did you know that our solar system is really part of the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy that is being absorbed by the larger Milky Way Galaxy?  If you kept up on science you would know such things.  
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/26earth.htm

http://www.viewzone.com/milkyway.html

http://annesastronomynews.com/wp-content...ptical.jpg

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(February 19, 2018 at 4:30 am)Godscreated Wrote: Yet you believe in evolution.

I don't have to "believe" in it.  My brother is a geneticist.  I've seen his work.

I am convinced, based on the laboratory evidence that I've seen and the papers that I have read, that genetic lines do indeed change (with replication or suppression of specific alleles in response to the chemical makeup of the immediate environment, via stochastic switching), eventually diverging into separate species.

Quote:Scientist say that the universe is destroying itself, that this galaxy is making few stars because it's running out of material for such activity and supposedly this is one of the younger galaxies. So if the universe is on a path to total destruction then why on this one little planet would evolution be in effect. Goes against all logic.

The reason it's going "against all logic" for you might have something to do with the fact that you're trying to solve a biochemical problem with astrophysics.

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(February 19, 2018 at 4:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 15, 2016 at 7:26 pm)Astreja Wrote: Finally, I believe that at some undetermined point in the history of Earth, abiogenesis had to take place in order for the first life forms to emerge from organic molecules

Apparently you do hold beliefs in things that violate reality.

No, I think that abiogenesis is chemically possible.  We are, after all, made up of chemicals.  IMO it's only a matter of time before science connects the dots.  I'm not in a hurry to get a definitive answer and in the meantime don't see any reason at all to accept "Goddidit" as a substitute.

(February 19, 2018 at 4:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 18, 2018 at 1:22 am)Astreja Wrote: I'm not in the habit of believing in things that "might be" there.  I could waste the whole day trying to believe in this, that and the other thing, but the bottom line is that I am neurologically incapable of religious belief.  I've been this way since I was a child, if not from birth.  My bullshit detector is locked permanently in the always-on position, and as a result my brain cannot generate any trust or faith in things that violate reality and for which there is no credible evidence.

*Emphasis mine*

According to "reality" life only comes from life, yet...

(November 15, 2016 at 7:26 pm)Astreja Wrote: Finally, I believe that at some undetermined point in the history of Earth, abiogenesis had to take place in order for the first life forms to emerge from organic molecules

Apparently you do hold beliefs in things that violate reality.

Rudimentary life had to have come from nonlife. No violation of reality here. Youre just treating life as some form of spirit instead of looking at it as a descriptor label for certain beings on this planet that can do stuff that suits the label.

(February 19, 2018 at 5:02 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 19, 2018 at 4:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: *Emphasis mine*

According to "reality" life only comes from life, yet...


Apparently you do hold beliefs in things that violate reality.

What life did your god come from?

You can't even explain what the essence of life is.

If life is to put it simply, energy as stated in the Bible, then according to the law of thermodynamics, it had to have always existed since it cannot be created...

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(February 19, 2018 at 5:30 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(February 19, 2018 at 4:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Apparently you do hold beliefs in things that violate reality.

No, I think that abiogenesis is chemically possible.  We are, after all, made up of chemicals.  IMO it's only a matter of time before science connects the dots.  I'm not in a hurry to get a definitive answer and in the meantime don't see any reason at all to accept "Goddidit" as a substitute.

If life is just chemistry, why can't we just chemically keep someone alive indefinitely? My cell phone can be powered indefinitely through chemistry, the human body... not so much.

(February 19, 2018 at 6:36 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 19, 2018 at 5:02 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: What life did your god come from?

You can't even explain what the essence of life is.

If life is to put it simply, energy as stated in the Bible, then according to the law of thermodynamics, it had to have always existed since it cannot be created...

So do you really think that some 3,000 year-old guy is smarter than a modern 21st educated adult (other than maybe yourself)?  You seem to be living in the distant past instead of in the present.

(February 19, 2018 at 6:20 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(February 19, 2018 at 4:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: *Emphasis mine*

According to "reality" life only comes from life, yet...


Apparently you do hold beliefs in things that violate reality.

Rudimentary life had to have come from nonlife.

According to who?

(February 19, 2018 at 6:20 pm)Grandizer Wrote: No violation of reality here.

(February 19, 2018 at 6:20 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Youre just treating life as some form of spirit instead of looking at it as a descriptor label for certain beings on this planet that can do stuff that suits the label.

If something is real, it is fact. Abiogenesis is not fact therefor it is not real.

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(February 19, 2018 at 6:44 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(February 19, 2018 at 6:36 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You can't even explain what the essence of life is.

If life is to put it simply, energy as stated in the Bible, then according to the law of thermodynamics, it had to have always existed since it cannot be created...

So do you really think that some 3,000 year-old guy is smarter than a modern 21st educated adult (other than maybe yourself)?  You seem to be living in the distant past instead of in the present.

Ok genius, can you explain how the great pyramid was built?

Quote:Apparently you do hold beliefs in things that violate reality.

Their is dick all about Abiogenisis that violates reality

(February 19, 2018 at 6:36 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 19, 2018 at 5:02 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: What life did your god come from?

You can't even explain what the essence of life is.

If life is to put it simply, energy as stated in the Bible, then according to the law of thermodynamics, it had to have always existed since it cannot be created...

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(February 19, 2018 at 5:30 pm)Astreja Wrote: No, I think that abiogenesis is chemically possible.  We are, after all, made up of chemicals.  IMO it's only a matter of time before science connects the dots.  I'm not in a hurry to get a definitive answer and in the meantime don't see any reason at all to accept "Goddidit" as a substitute.

If life is just chemistry, why can't we just chemically keep someone alive indefinitely? My cell phone can be powered indefinitely through chemistry, the human body... not so much.

1. Life is NOT the same as energy.
2. Energy *can* be created and destroyed (by production or elimination of mass).

Life is a complex collection of interlinking chemical reactions that is self-sustaining in the right environment.

Living things tend to build up waste products and undergo degradation over time. Your cell phone would NOT be expected to work after 50 years, I assure you. The connections will deteriorate, the metals will rust, and the battery will become useless (that, much faster than the rest). Similar things happen in living things. It *is* chemistry, but if you need to have exactly the right chemicals in exactly the right places in a trillion cells, that becomes a technological problem we cannot yet address. When oxygen is cut off, many of those reactions stop and that produces what we call death.

And huggy continues his 5 grade understanding of science

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(February 19, 2018 at 6:53 pm)polymath257 Wrote:

(February 19, 2018 at 6:36 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You can't even explain what the essence of life is.

If life is to put it simply, energy as stated in the Bible, then according to the law of thermodynamics, it had to have always existed since it cannot be created...

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If life is just chemistry, why can't we just chemically keep someone alive indefinitely? My cell phone can be powered indefinitely through chemistry, the human body... not so much.

1. Life is NOT the same as energy.
2. Energy *can* be created and destroyed (by production or elimination of mass).

Life is a complex collection of interlinking chemical reactions that is self-sustaining in the right environment.

Living things tend to build up waste products and undergo degradation over time. Your cell phone would NOT be expected to work after 50 years, I assure you. The connections will deteriorate, the metals will rust, and the battery will become useless (that, much faster than the rest). Similar things happen in living things. It *is* chemistry, but if you need to have exactly the right chemicals in exactly the right places in a trillion cells, that becomes a technological problem we cannot yet address. When oxygen is cut off, many of those reactions stop and that produces what we call death.

Yup life in organic chemistry