Christianity Is The BEST Religion....

[GrandizerII]

Rudimentary life had to have come from nonlife.

According to who?

No violation of reality here.

Youre just treating life as some form of spirit instead of looking at it as a descriptor label for certain beings on this planet that can do stuff that suits the label.

If something is real, it is fact. Abiogenesis is not fact therefor it is not real.

There is no reasonable option but for abiogenesis to be a fact. You dont see it this way because youre looking at life the wrong way, as evident by your "life is energy" comment.

That scientists dont yet completely know yet how exactly abiogenesis occurred on this planet does not mean it is not a fact.

[vulcanlogician]

Remember that people used to think that God made the rain fall from the sky before someone figured out the water cycle. People in ancient times had no clue how water could just fall from the sky. So God seemed like a pretty good explanation. After all, God lives in the sky...

We don't understand abiogenesis either. We are puzzled by it, just like the ancients were puzzled by how water can fall from the sky. Let's not jump to conclusions here. Let's keep looking at the evidence until we genuinely figure it out.

[Huggy Bear]

[Wyrd of Gawd]

[polymath257]

[GrandizerII]

That scientists dont yet completely know yet how exactly abiogenesis occurred on this planet does not mean it is not a fact.

That's exactly what it means buddy.

No it doesnt. We can know something to be a fact even if we dont know all the details pertinent to it. There is nothing extraordinary about what Im saying here anyway. Its only extraordinary if life is some magical entity that ia supposed to have been formed magically out if nothing.

[Huggy Bear]

[Whateverist]

Rudimentary life had to have come from nonlife.

[b]
According to who?

But Huggs, isn't that what you believe too? Unless you think God is a kind of life, i.e., biologically based being.

[Huggy Bear]

That's exactly what it means buddy.

No it doesnt. We can know something to be a fact even if we dont know all the details pertinent to it. There is nothing extraordinary about what Im saying here anyway. Its only extraordinary if life is some magical entity that ia supposed to have been formed magically out if nothing.

*Emphasis mine*

That's the definition of faith... not reality.

[Whateverist]

..faith... not reality.

A point of agreement.