Still spamming the same stuff as when I left.

(February 28, 2018 at 11:13 am)robvalue Wrote: Still spamming the same stuff as when I left.

I mostly ignore him now.

Quote:Any time fool.
You yourself admit that that is the evidence that you (not me) have so far, yet you pretend to know everything by calling me with names.

How stupid can you be!  Smile 

How matter like brain can be compared with something abstract as the consciousness?
Double fool and double idiot.  Smile 

I admitted to nothing . You have not backed your claim that the brain/mind is like car and a driver . I already answered this moron as have others . 

Quote:Misrepresentations my foot.

These are statements from atheists that I heard again and again so please stop the crap. 

I already showed what you Misrepresented . So you're still full of shit .

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Quote:In this case you are a triple fool considering that for you matter and abstract are the same thing.   

Back to sleep son.
You need some sleep.  

We already answered this . Your dualistic bullshit remains just that .

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Just because Dicky does not understand neuroscience and pushes dualist bullshit is not my problem.

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Once again dickies absurd  position in a nutshell 

Oh and your the only one on this thread who's clearly asleep . Maybe you should recharge the magic concept mind ghost you believe .

Some on who holds the same silly position getting curved stomped by one similar to mine 

https://infidels.org/library/modern/rich...ppert.html

(February 27, 2018 at 1:17 am)Khemikal Wrote: Sensation, entirely unlike consciousness...is ubiquitous, even among (especially among) sessile organisms, like plants.

So, you are making me channel my inner Thoreau here: why aren't plants conscious? I cannot confidently say they aren't. If pressed, I'd have to conclude that they have a "nub" of consciousness--aka a basic system of sensory response.

(March 1, 2018 at 12:31 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 1:17 am)Khemikal Wrote: Sensation, entirely unlike consciousness...is ubiquitous, even among (especially among) sessile organisms, like plants.

So, you are making me channel my inner Thoreau here: why aren't plants conscious? I cannot confidently say they aren't. If pressed, I'd have to conclude that they have a "nub" of consciousness--aka a basic system of sensory response.

There's nothing basic about their sensory response.  They're the lords of organic chemistry.  We'd be the relatively impoverished ones in that comparison, even as we're the ones that seem overflowing with the other thing, consciousness.

(March 1, 2018 at 12:39 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(March 1, 2018 at 12:31 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: So, you are making me channel my inner Thoreau here: why aren't plants conscious? I cannot confidently say they aren't. If pressed, I'd have to conclude that they have a "nub" of consciousness--aka a basic system of sensory response.

There's nothing basic about their sensory response.  They're the lords of organic chemistry.  We'd be the relatively impoverished ones in that comparison, even as we're the ones that seem overflowing with the other thing, consciousness.

Right. I want to make it clear that I'm not saying plants have a consciousness similar to ours. I'm merely asking if they have consciousness at all-- since they obviously respond to stimuli, albeit slowly.

I don't think that stimuli response is what anyone is talking about when they talk about consciousness.  For what that's worth.  That plants, for example..respond to stimuli and present behavior is not necessarily a product of consciousness...though that leaves us in the position of having trouble defending our own stimuli and behavioral response as indicators of consciousness in ourselves (or each other).

(March 1, 2018 at 1:31 am)Khemikal Wrote: I don't think that stimuli response is what anyone is talking about when they talk about consciousness.  For what that's worth.  That plants, for example..respond to stimuli and present behavior is not necessarily a product of consciousness...though that leaves us in the position of having trouble defending our own stimuli and behavioral response as indicators of consciousness in ourselves (or each other).

Sure son.
You will have a lot of trouble defending the BS dogma that plants are void of consciousness.

Tons and tons of trouble.      

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(February 28, 2018 at 11:13 am)robvalue Wrote: Still spamming the same stuff as when I left.

Mate.  

You have no idea how we all miss you so much.
In particular I did miss your fantastic dogmas.

Welcome back.  

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(February 28, 2018 at 11:16 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:Any time fool.
You yourself admit that that is the evidence that you (not me) have so far, yet you pretend to know everything by calling me with names.

How stupid can you be!  

How matter like brain can be compared with something abstract as the consciousness?
Double fool and double idiot. 

I admitted to nothing . You have not backed your claim that the brain/mind is like car and a driver . I already answered this moron as have others.

I beg your pardon?  

By saying...............The brain and consciousness are the same thing. By any standard of evidence we have .
........you admitted that that is all the evidence that you have which of course is all but a guessing.
Nothing to do with solid evidence.  

Quote:Misrepresentations my foot.
These are statements from atheists that I heard again and again so please stop the crap. 

Quote:I already showed what you Misrepresented . So you're still full of shit .

Idiot.  

Go back and check atheists' statements.
Even Cyb said that the consciousness is a product of the brain.
So who is full of it?  

Quote:In this case you are a triple fool considering that for you matter and abstract are the same thing.

Quote:We already answered this . Your dualistic bullshit remains just that .

You can answer 1000 times but as far as your answerS are incorrect then you are the one who speak BS.  

Quote:Just because Dicky does not understand neuroscience and pushes dualist bullshit is not my problem.
Once again dickies absurd  position in a nutshell 

Oh, well if neuroscience has got any evidence that the consciousness and the brain are the same thing then please show me this evidence.
If you haven't got any then.....BACK TO SLEEP.  




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(February 28, 2018 at 11:16 am)Lutrinae Wrote:

(February 28, 2018 at 11:13 am)robvalue Wrote: Still spamming the same stuff as when I left.

I mostly ignore him now.

Sure, sure Lut.  
You ignore me except when you read my posts.
Isn't that funny?  

(February 28, 2018 at 11:11 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 10:38 am)Little Rik Wrote: Consciousness according to yoga is the very origin of life.
It is the beginning and the end of evolution.
Actually before evolution started there is de-evolution but this topic may go outside the thread itself so let us stick to evolution only unless you wish to elaborate.

Yoga is just pointless human origami.

Gee, I guess you try the real yoga and you got very disappointed, did you?
Ok, let me see your evidence that yoga is BS?  

Quote:There is no such thing as de-evolution.

Don't you lose most of your consciousness when you start dreaming with or without sleeping?
That is called devolution of the consciousness.
That is the stage in which 100% of your consciousness become maybe 1% of the normal consciousness.
God creation according to yoga is something similar although it doesn't involve sleeping.
The fundamental factors that make up the universe are just stages in which God consciousness is transformed into space, air, light-energy, water and matter.
From matter the evolution start which is all about regaining 100% consciousness through plant life, animal life, human life and back into God mind.
So creation is devolution and devolution come before evolution.  

Quote:Consciousness is a consequence of evolution in meat space. Disagree? Then provide an example of any consciousness absent a physical body. You cannot and you know it.

Total BS.
Even matter is made of consciousness although in a latent stage.
Nothing exist without consciousness.
You can see consciousness in matter as uranium.
Energy and consciousness are the two side of the same sheet.
Where there is energy there is consciousness.

Quote:Everything you seem to think you know is wrong. Flat out wrong.

Sure son.