We don't have any evidence for God whatsoever, so how you even think to argue that it is the best explanation of whatever phenomenon it is you're trying to address? What does it even mean for God (or anything else) to be "immaterial" or "supernatural" or "spiritual" (still didn't get a clear answer on this)? Sorry, but just can't take this "God explanation" seriously, because it's not well-defined and not evident at all; it's just mumbo-jumbo talk.

(March 10, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Joods Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 11:50 am)Huggy74 Wrote: It took ten seconds to find a case totally unrelated to what we're discussing? Are you suggesting that one con artist preacher equates to all preachers being con artists? William Branham started preaching in the 1930's, so how is the guy with the earpiece remotely related?

Where's your evidence disproving Odin? THAT'S the topic here.  

Jenny gets a free pass on this because avoiding the actual topic, is all you've managed to do this entire thread.

I presented it already, I've presented plenty of evidence showing that Norse mythology originated in Babylon.

If I wasn't clear before let me rectify that by posting a breadcrumb trail of receipts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin

Quote:In Germanic mythology, Odin (from Old Norse Óðinn) is a widely revered god. In Norse mythology, from which stems most of the information about the god, Odin is associated with wisdom, healing, death, royalty, the gallows, knowledge, battle, sorcery, poetry, frenzy, and the runic alphabet, and is the husband of the goddess Frigg. In wider Germanic mythology and paganism, Odin was known in Old English as Wōden, in Old Saxon as Wōdan, and in Old High German as Wuotan or Wōtan, all stemming from the reconstructed Proto-Germanic theonym *wōđanaz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages

Quote:The Germanic languages are a branch of the Indo-European language family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

Quote:The Indo-European family includes most of the modern languages of Europe; exceptions include Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian, several minor Uralic languages, Turkish (a Turkic language), Basque (a language isolate), and Maltese (a Semitic language). The Indo-European family is also represented in Asia with the exception of East and Southeast Asia. It was predominant in ancient Anatolia (present-day Turkey)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia

Quote:The ancient inhabitants of Anatolia spoke the now-extinct Anatolian languages, which were largely replaced by the Greek language starting from classical antiquity and during the Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine periods. Major Anatolian languages included Hittite, Luwian, and Lydian among other more poorly attested relatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittite_language

Quote:Hittite was written in an adapted form of Peripheral Akkadian cuneiform orthography from Northern Syria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian

Quote:Akkadian (/əˈkeɪdiən/ akkadû,)is an extinct East Semitic language that was spoken in ancient Mesopotamia (Akkad, Assyria, Isin, Larsa and Babylonia)

Therefor it is my conclusion that Odin is derived from Pagan Babylonian religion, and a religion based off another religion cannot be true (before I hear bu but Christianity, look at my quote under religious views) any more than a story based on a 'true story' can be true, truth can only stand alone, A DERIVATIVE OF THE TRUTH IS A LIE BY DEFINITION!

It is inconceivable how you guys cannot grasp this simple concept seeing how Christianity is a microcosm of this and Christianity has it's precepts written down in a book central to all Christians called the Bible, yet you have many different versions of Christianity.

It only took the Mormons a period of less than 200 years to establish their own brand of Christianity, so to maintaining that Norse mythology is original is pure lunacy.

With that I rest my case.

Case dismissed!

(March 10, 2018 at 9:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Joods Wrote: Where's your evidence disproving Odin? THAT'S the topic here.  

Jenny gets a free pass on this because avoiding the actual topic, is all you've managed to do this entire thread.

I presented it already, I've presented plenty of evidence showing that Norse mythology originated in Babylon.

If I wasn't clear before let me rectify that by posting a breadcrumb trail of receipts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin

Quote:In Germanic mythology, Odin (from Old Norse Óðinn) is a widely revered god. In Norse mythology, from which stems most of the information about the god, Odin is associated with wisdom, healing, death, royalty, the gallows, knowledge, battle, sorcery, poetry, frenzy, and the runic alphabet, and is the husband of the goddess Frigg. In wider Germanic mythology and paganism, Odin was known in Old English as Wōden, in Old Saxon as Wōdan, and in Old High German as Wuotan or Wōtan, all stemming from the reconstructed Proto-Germanic theonym *wōđanaz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages

Quote:The Germanic languages are a branch of the Indo-European language family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

Quote:The Indo-European family includes most of the modern languages of Europe; exceptions include Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian, several minor Uralic languages, Turkish (a Turkic language), Basque (a language isolate), and Maltese (a Semitic language). The Indo-European family is also represented in Asia with the exception of East and Southeast Asia. It was predominant in ancient Anatolia (present-day Turkey)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia

Quote:The ancient inhabitants of Anatolia spoke the now-extinct Anatolian languages, which were largely replaced by the Greek language starting from classical antiquity and during the Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine periods. Major Anatolian languages included Hittite, Luwian, and Lydian among other more poorly attested relatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittite_language

Quote:Hittite was written in an adapted form of Peripheral Akkadian cuneiform orthography from Northern Syria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian

Quote:Akkadian (/əˈkeɪdiən/ akkadû,)is an extinct East Semitic language that was spoken in ancient Mesopotamia (Akkad, Assyria, Isin, Larsa and Babylonia)

Therefor it is my conclusion that Odin is derived from Pagan Babylonian religion, and a religion based off another religion cannot be true (before I hear bu but Christianity, look at my quote under religious views) any more than a story based on a 'true story' can be true, truth can only stand alone, A DERIVATIVE OF THE TRUTH IS A LIE BY DEFINITION!

It is inconceivable how you guys cannot grasp this simple concept seeing how Christianity is a microcosm of this and Christianity has it's precepts written down in a book central to all Christians called the Bible, yet you have many different versions of Christianity.

It only took the Mormons a period of less than 200 years to establish their own brand of Christianity, so to maintaining that Norse mythology is original is pure lunacy.

With that I rest my case.

You rest your case? 

You have simply demonstrated that your god is yet another babylonian hand me down. A second hand, second rate god inherited from Babylon.

(March 10, 2018 at 11:04 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: You rest your case? 

You have simply demonstrated that your god is yet another babylonian hand me down. A second hand, second rate god inherited from Babylon.

I've done no such thing...

Anyway like I've said, that is another discussion. This thread is about presenting evidence against Odin.

(March 10, 2018 at 11:22 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 11:04 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: You rest your case? 

You have simply demonstrated that your god is yet another babylonian hand me down. A second hand, second rate god inherited from Babylon.

I've done no such thing...

Anyway like I've said, that is another discussion. This thread is about presenting evidence against Odin.

Which is why I created this thread, to stop you weaseling your way out of facing up to the consequences of your argument for your own belief.

The point of this thread is to show that you cannot disprove Odin using theist logic because it would also apply to your own god. This demonstrates that you not believing in Odin's existence but at the same time believing in Mr God's existence is a form of special pleading. At least admit to the fact that you believe in Mr God rather than Odin for reasons other than evidence or logic.

(March 10, 2018 at 9:22 am)SteveII Wrote:

(March 9, 2018 at 2:29 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: 1: So god is made from nothing. Do you know what else is made from nothing? all non-existent things.
3: God is not a good explanation for the universe. It would pose more questions than it answers.
4: I see you don't like details, how did an immaterial being (whatever that is) create the universe?
6: none of what you put leads to that conclusion.

First, the syllogism is airtight and I gave reasons at the end of each line.

1. I did not say 'nothing'. Words and their definitions are important. Look up words if you can't understand them. 
3. If God exists, he is an excellent explanation of the universe. This is not a point you are going to win. There is no debate here.
4. 'How' is unknowable. See my answer to Mister Agenda above.

You think that since the argument contains the notion of God, there must be something wrong with it. Actually, many of you seem to think this way. That is simply not true and trying to pick an argument apart based on that shows you are in over your head.

1: So what is god made of?
3: In the extremely unlikely event that there is a "god" (whatever that is), why would its mere existence explain the universe, you have to put more effort into it than that.
4: So you have decided on perpetual ignorance.

What argument?

Any aspects which can't be explained are unknowable. Imagine if science worked like that.

How can we ever possibly know something is unknowable, exactly?

I guess Huggy is just going to blow past the fact that Min demolished his precious, ‘reliable’ eye-witness account of the supernatural light. By his OWN admission, that was the only thing he had that placed Christianity ahead of Odinism, and now it’s gone.

(March 10, 2018 at 9:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_languages

Quote:The Germanic languages are a branch of the Indo-European language family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

Quote:The Indo-European family includes most of the modern languages of Europe; exceptions include Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian, several minor Uralic languages, Turkish (a Turkic language), Basque (a language isolate), and Maltese (a Semitic language). The Indo-European family is also represented in Asia with the exception of East and Southeast Asia. It was predominant in ancient Anatolia (present-day Turkey)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia

Quote:The ancient inhabitants of Anatolia spoke the now-extinct Anatolian languages, which were largely replaced by the Greek language starting from classical antiquity and during the Hellenistic, Roman and Byzantine periods. Major Anatolian languages included Hittite, Luwian, and Lydian among other more poorly attested relatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittite_language

Quote:Hittite was written in an adapted form of Peripheral Akkadian cuneiform orthography from Northern Syria.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian

Quote:Akkadian (/əˈkeɪdiən/ akkadû,)is an extinct East Semitic language that was spoken in ancient Mesopotamia (Akkad, Assyria, Isin, Larsa and Babylonia)

Therefor it is my conclusion that Odin is derived from Pagan Babylonian religion,

But all you have done is traced the evolution of a language yet somehow this means that 'Odin is derived from Pagan Babylonian religion'?

(March 10, 2018 at 9:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: With that I rest my case.

I have an equally convincing argument for you ...