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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 24, 2018 at 1:23 pm
(March 24, 2018 at 7:00 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (March 24, 2018 at 4:37 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Maybe by talking to Mary? Or from the apostles talking to Jesus himself. It's a funny question though, since its a nonsense story. Why there would be missing years seems a more relevant question.
If these people could get Mary's story down while she was alive, why not get JC's words down first-person? She would have been 47-53 when he "died", and in those days a poor person would be ready to kick it at that age.
Yeah, but she is supposed to be alive when he died and present at the crucifixion. Seems like a logical source. Why not just record JC's words first hand is a different question, obviously there is no good reason. For that matter no good reason god wouldn't just tell us all directly himself.
This seems like a pretty small problem when you think about ALL the massive problems with.claiming the bible as divine.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 24, 2018 at 1:35 pm
(March 24, 2018 at 1:23 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: (March 24, 2018 at 7:00 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: If these people could get Mary's story down while she was alive, why not get JC's words down first-person? She would have been 47-53 when he "died", and in those days a poor person would be ready to kick it at that age.
Yeah, but she is supposed to be alive when he died and present at the crucifixion. Seems like a logical source. Why not just record JC's words first hand is a different question, obviously there is no good reason. For that matter no good reason god wouldn't just tell us all directly himself.
This seems like a pretty small problem when you think about ALL the massive problems with.claiming the bible as divine. Small problem? It's is claimed to be the WORD OF GOD!!!!
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 24, 2018 at 1:53 pm
Quote:Small problem? It's is claimed to be the WORD OF GOD!!!!
But only by superstitious idiots.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 24, 2018 at 1:59 pm
(March 24, 2018 at 12:41 am)Godscreated Wrote: (March 23, 2018 at 7:49 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: The Gospel of Luke wasn't written by the actual Luke. You do know that right?
As for the activities of jesus in the 0-12 age range, one could take a look at the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. (1st century)
Or the First Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus. (claimed 1st Century)
And others.
According to those, young jesus was a total bastage.
Really, how could you know that, unless you have been around for a couple thousand years. Those writings have been excluded from consideration because of the falsehoods in them.
GC
We know that the books that were included also contain falsehoods. We also know that the books I mentioned were accepted as valid for centuries and that they predate the books you accept. If you reject the two books I mentioned then you must apply the same criteria to the other gospels.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 24, 2018 at 2:32 pm
Nah, G-C has his own set of rules. His god is whatever he wants him to be.
Very convenient and also quite typical of the jesus freak mindset.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 24, 2018 at 2:35 pm
The faithful have their hands crammed so hard up gods ass it's really not surprising that he's a cranky bitch about everything.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 24, 2018 at 3:06 pm
I cheered some one up that way . . . .
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 24, 2018 at 4:41 pm
(March 24, 2018 at 1:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Small problem? It's is claimed to be the WORD OF GOD!!!!
But only by superstitious idiots.
Even so, the fact that it wasn't noted at the time makes it seem silly to make such a claim. But we knew that.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 24, 2018 at 6:14 pm
Even if it was Bart Ehrman addresses the question here:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-53308-p...pid1696657
He's acknowledging that this horseshit was written decades later by people who were not there. But he ignores the fact that the earliest xtian horseshit doesn't know anything about the godboy on earth and can't quite seem to admit to himself that most of this was just made up by later writers to fill in the literary blanks.
Quote:This was a mysterious period of oral transmission, when stories were circulating, both among eyewitnesses and, even more, among those who knew someone whose cousin had a neighbor who had once talked with a business associate whose mother had, just fifteen years earlier, spoken with an eyewitness who told her some things about Jesus.
Pure diarrhea.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 24, 2018 at 6:58 pm
(March 24, 2018 at 12:41 am)Godscreated Wrote: (March 23, 2018 at 5:47 am)Grandizer Wrote: How do you know this? It doesn't say that in the Bible, so why are you making this shit up?
To all those who asked this question, you would think one person asking would be enough but I guess your insecurity overwhelms you at times.
Now the answer, if you had cared to read instead of copying other posts only one would have had to ask.
Luke 1: 1-4 Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of things that have been accomplished among us, just as those from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.
Luke tells us that he learned from those who were there from the beginning and Mary was certainly there at the beginning. For people who claim to be logical you all sure have a hard time proving it, it is logical Luke asked those in the life of Jesus what happened and only Mary could have told him of the earliest years.
GC
(March 23, 2018 at 7:49 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: The Gospel of Luke wasn't written by the actual Luke. You do know that right?
As for the activities of jesus in the 0-12 age range, one could take a look at the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. (1st century)
Or the First Gospel of the Infancy of Jesus. (claimed 1st Century)
And others.
According to those, young jesus was a total bastage.
Really, how could you know that, unless you have been around for a couple thousand years. Those writings have been excluded from consideration because of the falsehoods in them.
GC
Well, we currently have you claiming that only you are correct. Fine. I have no reason to accept that.
We have others claiming that allah is the only way.
We have others claiming some rather strangeness.
What makes your claim better? To me it is simply another woo claim among many others. what exactly makes your claim special? What evidence have you to show for it that should convince me? So far, you seem to have not a damn thing, but I am willing to board whatever you have to offer for your arbitrarily chosen deity as opposed to any of the others competing so long as you can show that your deity exist. Perhaps you will be the first to do so. Nobody ever has before.
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