No one KNOWS anything about what happens after death (apart from rot and decay) so whatever you believe is just wishful thinking, with no evidence to support it.

(April 28, 2018 at 2:41 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: No; it never ends there. Our bodies unite with the universe. It was proven scientifically.

If Islam was left to its own devises there would be no science, or emergency rooms.

My atoms and molecules will be special.

(April 28, 2018 at 7:33 am)Succubus Wrote:

(April 28, 2018 at 2:41 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: No; it never ends there. Our bodies unite with the universe. It was proven scientifically.

If Islam was left to its own devises there would be no science, or emergency rooms.

Interesting point, isn't it. Couple of years ago I busted my ankle badly at home .  Called the emergency services and literally crawled on the floor to open the door when the guys arrived. Still have a titanium plate and 8 pins (permanent).

If any of the religions were true, I should have simply lain there and prayed and all would be well. Somehow.

If any of the theists really believed, they would never call an ambulance because it would be unnecessary.

Cue the "free will" bollocks. Like I intentionally chose to knock over a kitchen chair, entangle my foot in it and comprehensively shatter my ankle.

Death is the beginning of life. Not for us, for all the things that will eat us. For us it is the end.

(April 28, 2018 at 8:04 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(April 28, 2018 at 7:33 am)Succubus Wrote: If Islam was left to its own devises there would be no science, or emergency rooms.

Interesting point, isn't it. Couple of years ago I busted my ankle badly at home .  Called the emergency services and literally crawled on the floor to open the door when the guys arrived. Still have a titanium plate and 8 pins (permanent).

If any of the religions were true, I should have simply lain there and prayed and all would be well. Somehow.

If any of the theists really believed, they would never call an ambulance because it would be unnecessary.

Cue the "free will" bollocks. Like I intentionally chose to knock over a kitchen chair, entangle my foot in it and comprehensively shatter my ankle.

The free will is (was) there no question about it but it relate to your previous life in which you must have done something wrong to trigger a bad karma   that now in this life caused to shatter your ankle so free will is 100% responsible even if it was something from a previous life that you wouldn't remember.  

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(April 28, 2018 at 8:34 am)chimp3 Wrote: Death is the beginning of life. Not for us, for all the things that will eat us. For us it is the end.

I am sure that an intelligent person like you wouldn't tell something unless you wouldn't have a solid evidence to back up your statement.

Look Chimp is not that I do not believe you that for us human is the end.
All I need from you is this evidence so I can build the great encyclopedia of golden truth.
Can you help with that?  

(April 28, 2018 at 8:34 am)chimp3 Wrote: Death is the beginning of life. Not for us, for all the things that will eat us. For us it is the end.

QFT. We are recycled.

But after we die, no reason to think anything will happen to ‘us’ other than oblivion.

Well if the Qur'an says so, it must be true. Lulz.

(April 28, 2018 at 2:44 am)Losty Wrote:

(April 28, 2018 at 2:41 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: No; it never ends there. Our bodies unite with the universe. It was proven scientifically.

What exactly does “unite with the universe” mean? And who proved it? What is the proof?

And how can we reunite with something we're permanently united with already?

We're already part of the universe. When we die, our body will still exist... and the matter that made up our mind will still exist... but the thing about how physics works is: Things will change form. And it does at least seem like consciousness dies along with the body... so presumably the energy of consciousness is still there but it seems that energy is no longer consciousness...

Well, no longer classic human consciousness at least!

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(April 28, 2018 at 2:46 am)c172 Wrote: Death rhymes with bad breath.

I yam wut I yam.

And Lut* yiz wut 'e yiz.

*Kitkat. Had to say Lut, rhymes with wut.

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(April 28, 2018 at 3:13 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(April 28, 2018 at 2:44 am)Losty Wrote: What exactly does “unite with the universe” mean? And who proved it? What is the proof?

We decompose when we die.
Scientifically, everything gets a piece of you, from insects to environmental factors, so the universe -with its components- eats you.

https://www.aftermath.com/content/human-decomposition

The universe eats you.

It would be much more correct to say: The universe eats part of itself. We are parts of the universe.

Lebiniz's windowless monads does spring to mind.

Wikipedia article on Leibniz Wrote:Gottfried Leibniz's theory of pre-established harmony (French: harmonie préétablie) is a philosophical theory about causation under which every "substance" affects only itself, but all the substances (both bodies and minds) in the world nevertheless seem to causally interact with each other because they have been programmed by God in advance to "harmonize" with each other. Leibniz's term for these substances was "monads" which he described in a popular work (Monadology §7) as "windowless".

An example:

An apple falls on Alice's head, apparently causing the experience of pain in her mind. In fact, the apple does not cause the pain—the pain is caused by some previous state of Alice's mind. If Alice then seems to shake her hand in anger, it is not actually her mind that causes this, but some previous state of her hand.
Leibniz's theory is best known as a solution to the mind-body problem of how mind can interact with the body. However, Leibniz also rejected the idea of physical bodies affecting each other, and explained all physical causation in this way.

Under pre-established harmony, the preprogramming of each mind must be extremely complex, since only it itself causes its own thoughts or movements, for as long as it exists. In order to appear to interact, each substance's "program" must contain a description of either the entire universe, or of how the object is to behave at all times, during all "interactions" which will appear to occur.

It can also be noted that if a mind behaves as a windowless monad, there is no need for any other object to exist in order to create that mind's sense perceptions, leading to a solipsistic universe consisting only of that mind. Leibniz seems to admit this in his Discourse on Metaphysics section 14. However, he claims that his Principle of Harmony, according to which God creates the best and most harmonious world possible, dictates that the perceptions (internal states) of each monad "expresses" the world in its entirety, and the world expressed by the monad actually exists. Although Leibniz says that each monad is "windowless," he also claims that it functions as a "mirror" of the entire created universe.

On occasion, Leibniz styled himself as "the author of the system of preestablished harmony"

I absolutely don't believe in any sort of god at all... but it's fun to think about.

Here's a basic summary of who Leibniz was if you have never heard of him:

Wikipedia Wrote:Gottfried Wilhelm (von) Leibniz (/ˈlaɪbnɪts/; German: [ˈɡɔtfʁiːt ˈvɪlhɛlm fɔn ˈlaɪbnɪts] or [ˈlaɪpnɪts]; French: Godefroi Guillaume Leibnitz; 1 July 1646 [O.S. 21 June] – 14 November 1716) was a German polymath and philosopher who occupies a prominent place in the history of mathematics and the history of philosophy, having developed differential and integral calculus independently of Isaac Newton. Leibniz's notation has been widely used ever since it was published. It was only in the 20th century that his Law of Continuity and Transcendental Law of Homogeneity found mathematical implementation (by means of non-standard analysis). He became one of the most prolific inventors in the field of mechanical calculators. While working on adding automatic multiplication and division to Pascal's calculator, he was the first to describe a pinwheel calculator in 1685 and invented the Leibniz wheel, used in the arithmometer, the first mass-produced mechanical calculator. He also refined the binary number system, which is the foundation of virtually all digital computers.

In philosophy, Leibniz is most noted for his optimism, i.e. his conclusion that our Universe is, in a restricted sense, the best possible one that God could have created, an idea that was often lampooned by others such as Voltaire. Leibniz, along with René Descartes and Baruch Spinoza, was one of the three great 17th-century advocates of rationalism. The work of Leibniz anticipated modern logic and analytic philosophy, but his philosophy also looks back to the scholastic tradition, in which conclusions are produced by applying reason to first principles or prior definitions rather than to empirical evidence.

Leibniz made major contributions to physics and technology, and anticipated notions that surfaced much later in philosophy, probability theory, biology, medicine, geology, psychology, linguistics, and computer science. He wrote works on philosophy, politics, law, ethics, theology, history, and philology. Leibniz also contributed to the field of library science. While serving as overseer of the Wolfenbüttel library in Germany, he devised a cataloging system that would serve as a guide for many of Europe's largest libraries. Leibniz's contributions to this vast array of subjects were scattered in various learned journals, in tens of thousands of letters, and in unpublished manuscripts. He wrote in several languages, but primarily in Latin, French, and German. There is no complete gathering of the writings of Leibniz translated into English.

(April 28, 2018 at 4:08 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: No one KNOWS anything about what happens after death (apart from rot and decay) so whatever you believe is just wishful thinking, with no evidence to support it.

We're living inside the evidence, I pretty much think and believe that the design is sufficient to prove God. My standards are different than yours.

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(April 28, 2018 at 7:33 am)Succubus Wrote:

(April 28, 2018 at 2:41 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: No; it never ends there. Our bodies unite with the universe. It was proven scientifically.

If Islam was left to its own devises there would be no science, or emergency rooms.

The usual "right wing" propaganda.
Baghdad was the capital and the jewel of the world when Europe was drenched in the dark ages of Christianity. Without the boost Muslims gave humanity, there wouldn't be windmills for you to produce wheat.

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(April 28, 2018 at 8:04 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(April 28, 2018 at 7:33 am)Succubus Wrote: If Islam was left to its own devises there would be no science, or emergency rooms.

Interesting point, isn't it. Couple of years ago I busted my ankle badly at home .  Called the emergency services and literally crawled on the floor to open the door when the guys arrived. Still have a titanium plate and 8 pins (permanent).

If any of the religions were true, I should have simply lain there and prayed and all would be well. Somehow.

If any of the theists really believed, they would never call an ambulance because it would be unnecessary.

Cue the "free will" bollocks. Like I intentionally chose to knock over a kitchen chair, entangle my foot in it and comprehensively shatter my ankle.

Islam says otherwise. Did you see this verse from the Quran?:

Quote:Sura 11, The Quran:
( 121 )   And say to those who do not believe, "Work according to your position; indeed, we are working.

( 122 )   And wait, indeed, we are waiting."

So work; I am working too. Be patient and wait; because I'm being patient and working.

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(April 28, 2018 at 8:34 am)chimp3 Wrote: Death is the beginning of life. Not for us, for all the things that will eat us. For us it is the end.

My belief is that we will be whole again, we will also remember exactly what we did in this life.