Yes Ham, my intention for it was to be about serious/controversial topics.

(May 3, 2018 at 11:32 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 3, 2018 at 11:17 am)alpha male Wrote: In a serious discussion, you show that a person is dishonest, deluded, or ignorant with facts.

You didn't answer the question.  Typically in these sorts of discussion, the dishonest, deluded, or ignorant person will simply ignore such evidence and continue on in the same fashion.  Should dishonest, deluded, or ignorant people be banned from such threads after evidence has been provided?

Nah just put them on ignore and allow them to chat with the other dishonest, deluded or ignorant people.

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(May 3, 2018 at 11:37 am)alpha male Wrote:

(May 3, 2018 at 11:32 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: You didn't answer the question.

Yeah, I pretty much did. You're now asking a different question.

No you answered a different question. Jor asked you if it would be considered uncivil to call someone dishonest, deluded or ignorant and you responded by saying it should be shown with facts.

Regardless of whether it is shown or not... would it be considered uncivil to call someone dishonest, deluded or ignorant? Yes or no?

(May 2, 2018 at 11:19 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Uh oh, it says "Debating is to be civil".... what does that meeeannnn!!! Lol

In this case, it likely means whatever whoever is moderatimg the debate thinks it means.

(May 3, 2018 at 11:50 am)Cathooloo Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 11:19 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Uh oh, it says "Debating is to be civil".... what does that meeeannnn!!! Lol

In this case, it likely means whatever whoever is moderatimg the debate thinks it means.

I think CL's point is "Let's not pretend we don't know what "civility" means."

If I am writing a formal letter that starts with "Dear Sir or Madam" and ends with "Yours Sincerely" but I say the word "fuck" in the middle of it... then when the other person is offended I can't fall back on stuff like "But who's to say the word "fuck" is offensive? I don't find it offensive."

We know what is meant by "civility".

If, during a debate, Sam Harris said that William Lane Craig was "Nothing but a rotten, lying, cunt of a bastard" a "motherfucking scumbag" and a "disingenuous fuckwit"... the fact that the audience would be shocked and it would be considered a step too far, to say the least, isn't some gigantic mystery. If we were to react by saying "But who's to say that's offensive? Taking offense is entirely subjective." we would be being as intentionally obtuse and disingenuous as William Lane Craig himself is.

Lol, thanks Ham

(May 3, 2018 at 8:20 am)alpha male Wrote:

(May 3, 2018 at 7:42 am)Joods Wrote: We would love to have more serious discussions with theists but as soon as we ask you guys to back up your claims and opinions with actual, verifiable proof, the gloves come off and many times, the theist is the first to fly out of the box with a personal insult.

Then you should be in favor of the new forum.

No... you should be in favor of doing what you want to accomplish in the "new" forum, in the current forum. Adding another forum to what we already have isn't going to magically get people to suddenly adhere to the rules we already have.

(May 3, 2018 at 12:18 pm)Joods Wrote: No... you should be in favor of doing what you want to accomplish in the "new" forum, in the current forum.

Actually I am doing that, as I doubt this new forum will ever happen. I'm expanding my Ignore list. It's unfortunate though, as even the biggest assholes can occasionally make a good point.

(May 3, 2018 at 12:24 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(May 3, 2018 at 12:18 pm)Joods Wrote: No... you should be in favor of doing what you want to accomplish in the "new" forum, in the current forum.

Actually I am doing that, as I doubt this new forum will ever happen. I'm expanding my Ignore list. It's unfortunate though, as even the biggest assholes can occasionally make a good point.

Well then I guess we can consider this topic closed. No further discussion needed. 

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(May 3, 2018 at 12:24 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(May 3, 2018 at 12:18 pm)Joods Wrote: No... you should be in favor of doing what you want to accomplish in the "new" forum, in the current forum.

Actually I am doing that, as I doubt this new forum will ever happen. I'm expanding my Ignore list. It's unfortunate though, as even the biggest assholes can occasionally make a good point.

Kind of pathetic that you have to put a list of the people you are ignoring in your signature.

Oh, it includes me so you won't see this.

And you're right: Even you can occasionally make a good point.

Seems like that would be a place for theists to preach and not be criticized. Im not sure, seems subjective to me as well. It's not that hard to wade through the bullshit here. Really not hard at all.