(May 4, 2018 at 3:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(May 4, 2018 at 3:00 pm)Joods Wrote: You didn't answer my question. 

What I'm understanding that you want is a change to the rules. A subforum isn't necessary for that. Plus - asking for a change in the rules may or may not be walking a fine line. It's subjective to what one finds offensive or not. There are plenty of threads going on right now that aren't involving the use of name calling or cussing someone out. If there's a specific pattern in the kinds of threads or topics that this is occurring in, then what you are essentially proposing is a subforum for specific topics to be discussed in. We already have those. 

In addition - what one find detrimental to a productive discussion is, again, subjective. Those points have already been addressed by others. 

My bottom line and my point remains: You want to either police what others can or cannot say or you want a special section for you and your theists to discuss subjects that would severely limit participation by others. There's a rule on that. So you're essentially asking to change that rule.

I dont want a rule change to the forum because I understand the value of free speech and such. It would just be reasonable and beneficial, imho, to add a single reserved section for those (atheists and theists both) who wanted honest discussion without the various types of detractions and such. Basically like a reverse rlyeh. And no, as I said, I would not want anyone excluded. This would be open to anyone who wanted to participate, and I would love to have discussions there with atheists. As i said That's kind of the whole reason I proposed the subforum, is to have productive discussions with those who have different opinions as myself.

Anyway, I doubt it's gonna happen so I wouldn't be too worried about it

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But what you are proposing, " a reverse R'lyeh", is redundant. The purpose of R'lyeh is "to provide a more relaxed atmosphere than the rest of the forum". A place where more heated discussion can take place. If you are proposing an opposite to that, you are literally asking that the language used, is limited or restricted. So yes, you are asking to police what people can or cannot say. You just want that to happen in a special section. My opinion of that is that it's completely and utterly redundant. 
We can easily accomplish "honest" discussion in the forums we already have now. If it gets a little heated then perhaps we need to look at the reason why that is. I don't see any threads in, say for example, the gaming section of the forums getting "heated". You know what sections are heated? The religious sections. The philosophy sections. The politics and news sections. Any sections that have a strong differing of opinions is where you are going to find strong opinions running rampant. 
Those are the topics that are going to come up in this new proposed section. What's going to stop them from getting any more heated than they get now?

(May 4, 2018 at 3:23 pm)Losty Wrote: I may be wrong here, but it seems like part of what CL wants in a new subforum is to disallow insults entirely. If that’s the case our current rules do not cover that. Yes, we have a flaming rule, but simply calling someone an asshole doesn’t count as flaming.

Yes. But disallow name calling/cussing people out, specificaly. Since anyone can claim to be "insulted" by anything.

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That is correct, Joods. I have specified that it would be for serious type discussion topics:

(May 1, 2018 at 5:52 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It would be for pretty much anyone who wants to have honest discussion about topics that may spark controversy (religion, politics, philosophy, morality, etc), without having to comb through the shit slinging and irrelevant posts that are just there to mock the OP.

I believe a stricter set of rules for that single section would greatly improve the quality of the discussion.

(May 4, 2018 at 3:23 pm)Losty Wrote: I may be wrong here, but it seems like part of what CL wants in a new subforum is to disallow insults entirely. If that’s the case our current rules do not cover that. Yes, we have a flaming rule, but simply calling someone an asshole doesn’t count as flaming.

I see that. But if someone is going to make an underhanded remark towards me, and I can see that it's underhanded, then I'm going to call them out for doing so. If they don't like it, then they should have been nicer in their response to me. That's my right and a huge reason why I love this place. If we're going to become so sensitive to the words others spew that we feel there should be a special section protecting us from such speech, then we need therapy, not a new subsection. 

Furthermore, insults are subjective to the opinions of others. I'm an asshole. I freely admit this. Sometimes I even purposely live up to it. Anyone who has seen the videos I post in Slack with my kids, can vouch for my assholishness. I don't hide that. So to me, calling me an asshole is a compliment, not an insult. It's a fucking word. People shouldn't be so sensitive to being called a name by a person on the internetz that they may never see face to face in real life. That's just childish. If they call you a name, ask yourself:

Is this going to affect me 5 minutes from now? 
Is this going to affect me 5 hours from now?
Is this going to affect me 5 days from now? 
Is this going to affect me 5 weeks from now?
Is this going to affect me 5 months from now?
Is this going to affect me 5 years from now? 

If you answer NO to any of those questions, then it doesn't matter. You go on and you live your life and you don't let someone on the great WWW calling you a name, disrupt your real life.

I think the point is not that people are sensitive to being name called, but rather that name calling is not conducive to having a discussion. I’m not really for or against a new subforum. I’m okay with testing one out if that’s what we decide to do but I’m also fine with not having one if that’s what we decide. I can understand why it’s wanted though. I can understand that it might be annoying to have to wade through pages of off topic crap and people just coming in to stir shit instead of actually discussing.

As I've said, my intention for the subforum has 0 to do with sensitivity. It's not like I cry when Wololie and Succie, etc, spew their BS my way lol. On the contrary, I find it funny. My intention for this is to encourage a higher quality more productive discussion. It has nothing to do with sensitivity.

I guess I don't understand why you're so against this. AF wouldn't change. This would be a single added section available to interested parties. Much like Mafia and A69. If it's not your thing, simply don't post in those sections.

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(May 4, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Losty Wrote: I think the point is not that people are sensitive to being name called, but rather that name calling is not conducive to having a discussion.

Yes^

(May 4, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Losty Wrote: I think the point is not that people are sensitive to being name called, but rather that name calling is not conducive to having a discussion. I’m not really for or against a new subforum. I’m okay with testing one out if that’s what we decide to do but I’m also fine with not having one if that’s what we decide. I can understand why it’s wanted though. I can understand that it might be annoying to have to wade through pages of off topic crap and people just coming in to stir shit instead of actually discussing.

Fair enough, but if this is the case, then another subforum isn't really going to curb that. It's just going to cause more work for the staff. Why not just enforce the quoting members, flaming and trolling rules we already have now? I mean, the PD was put in place for a reason. How about we enforce that instead of making yet another place where people are only going to purposefully break or skirt the rules?

Think about it. Huggy violated the misquoting rule at least three times in one thread, to three different people, myself included. Moderators have posted in that thread and could easily see that he did it, yet he's still around. If the rules aren't going to be enforced in the regular sections of this place, what makes a new section any better? And again, who's to decide what's off topic what isn't? There are tons of threads now, where we've gotten very off topic and violated the PD all over the place but nothing's being done to enforce that rule so why even bother?

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(May 4, 2018 at 3:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As I've said, my intention for the subforum has 0 to do with sensitivity. It's not like I cry when Wololie and Succie, etc, spew their BS my way lol. On the contrary, I find it funny. My intention for this is to encourage a higher quality more productive discussion. It has nothing to do with sensitivity.

I guess I don't understand why you're so against this. AF wouldn't change. This would be a single added section available to interested parties. Much like Mafia and A69. If it's not your thing, simply don't post in those sections.

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I am against it because it is redundant. If a person can't have a high quality discussion in the RELEVANT subforum that's already in existence, then perhaps they are the problem, not the forum. 

If you start a thread in the Christian subforum, for example and you know what you are posting will be a controversial topic, then you take full responsibility for any results that may happen. It's like having to hold yourself accountable for letting a kid play with matches. You know the risks going in. Furthermore, you can choose to ignore the posts that aren't relevant. This is done all the time. I have made thousands of posts that constantly get ignored. I'm used to it. I move on. 

And if people are getting off topic in threads then they are moving away from the PD. Why isn't that issue being addressed? Why not just delete those posts all together then? What's the point of having a rule based on some Prime Directive if it's not going to actually be enforced?

I understand that you dont think it is a good/reasonable idea. But if some other people like the concept and want to use such a section, why not just let them do as they want?

I don't like the concept of A69, so I simply don't join. But I'm not going to protest its existance if other people like to use it lol.

Area 69 was the worst idea I ever had here. (I'm pretty sure I was the fucktard who came up with it.)

(May 4, 2018 at 4:12 pm)Shell B Wrote: Area 69 was the worst idea I ever had here. (I'm pretty sure I was the fucktard who came up with it.)

Lol nice

(May 4, 2018 at 4:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I understand that you dont think it is a good/reasonable idea. But if some other people like the concept and want to use such a section, why not just let them do as they want?

I don't like the concept of A69, so I simply don't join. But I'm not going to protest its existance if other people like to use it lol.

I haven't been keeping up with the thread, so sorry if this has been discussed, but I like the idea of "joining" like with R'Lyeh. That would make participation optional, and even prevent the threads from showing on the "New Posts" thingie for people who don't join (I think).

The only drawback would be that new theists who register on the site would have to go through the process of finding it and joining.