(May 6, 2018 at 3:26 pm)Quick Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 3:24 pm)Mathilda Wrote: That's always on my mind as well. But I also don't think that it should excuse him from the animosity he gets. I've seen people on other forums who started off as complete jerks and then turn their life around and become genuinely nice people. That won't happen if people excuse the behaviour and let it pass unchallenged. And if it is the way he is wired, then he needs to learn to adapt.

I do not think punishment is a good way to motivate people.

It's not punishment. It's cause and effect.

(May 6, 2018 at 2:33 pm)Hammy Wrote: I know you're not a fan of the opinions she has and threads she starts and her approach in general, Rob.

Lol sheesh

(May 6, 2018 at 9:47 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 9:24 am)Joods Wrote: Imagine how I feel when I see people dropping the R word like it's acceptable. Isn't very nice, when people bring up a disability that you personally are dealing with. Same thing goes for the word retard in any form. You'll have to do what I've had to do - grow a tough skin and understand that people use hurtful words in this manner all the time. Sometimes they mean to be hurtful and sometimes they don't.

I think what I said is being misconstrued.  I was suggesting that their might be ordinary, constitutional variation in the way Neo is wired which is making it difficult for him to apply empathy.  That hardly implies that everyone on the spectrum is an asshole.

I agree with you that his brain is not neurotypical and that is why he is unable to empathize. But I really don't think it's possible for it to be due to him being on an autistic spectrum. Autism is merely one way of being neurologically atypical and my guess is he's on some other sort of spectrum even if there isn't a name for it. (Of course, he can be very mildly on the psychopathic spectrum, regardless of if it is called a spectrum, without him being even remotely close to being diagnosed as a psychopath. Just as some people are slightly more autistic than others even amongst people who aren't severe enough to be diagnosed.)

For example, I'd say his lack of empathy in a kind of nasty way (treating people as actual objects) would be more likely due to him being, say, 0.3% psychopathic than it being due to him being, say, 0.3% autistic.

I mean for starters what I am getting at is that autism causes a lack of cognitive empathy, not a lack of compassion (except in the most extreme cases but that's more of an absence than a lack: Or basically, it's due to being incapable of caring about others rather than being disinterested in it... like I suspect it is with Neo (he is capable of compassion but he's not capable of caring about being compassionate)).... what you are describing in Neo appears to be much closer to psychopathy than autism. There's more than one way to not be neurotypical. Another example is ADHD: That's also not neurologically typical (although I certainly don't think Neo's cuntishness has anything to do with ADHD lolllllllllll)).

(May 6, 2018 at 3:29 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 3:26 pm)Quick Wrote: I do not think punishment is a good way to motivate people.

It's not punishment. It's cause and effect.

Well, the way I see it, society i.e. the social rules of engagement can work in one of three way: shame, encouragement, and a mix of the two. What a culture decides to use as it's method of controlling behavior is up to the culture and this is often done by group think, however, in smaller communities there is more room for this to change.

They habitually misinterpret "encouragement" as a reward for their particular belief system.  I mean these are supposed adults who really think that a dead jew came back to life to atone for their sins.  I mean, I just can't do it.

Okurrr!

(May 6, 2018 at 3:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote: They habitually misinterpret "encouragement" as a reward for their particular belief system.  I mean these are supposed adults who really think that a dead jew came back to life to atone for their sins.  I mean, I just can't do it.

We are not on a theist forum.

(May 6, 2018 at 4:10 pm)Quick Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 3:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote: They habitually misinterpret "encouragement" as a reward for their particular belief system.  I mean these are supposed adults who really think that a dead jew came back to life to atone for their sins.  I mean, I just can't do it.

We are not on a theist forum.

We are slowly getting there though. Thanks to CL! TBH, CL is way better at building neos magical fairy kingdom than AM and neo are. She is just so.... christian?

(May 6, 2018 at 3:29 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 3:26 pm)Quick Wrote: I do not think punishment is a good way to motivate people.

It's not punishment. It's cause and effect.

My suspicion is that we probably agree on this matter.... but I am not sure what the point you are making here is, Mathilda. Can you perhaps elaborate? If that's not too much trouble. I don't mean to be obtuse. I promise it's unintentionally obtuse.

I think the advice of God is that we turn away from the ignorant and don't engage in those who take the signs and proofs of God and his path for a mockery.

It's not only useless, but you don't want these people knowing the truth anyways, cause they aren't serious enough to not mix it with falsehood, and we have enough religious people doing that as is because they are playful to the matter, and don't take it seriously.

It's against every grain of reason for me to stay here, it's against God's advice, and a waste of time.

The one and only reason I stay here, it's because I'm addicted to the place. That's it.