Quote:I feel the same about the atheist arguments in this thread.

Nope we have not performed any such fallacy .Not accepting your conclusion is not incredulity . Especially when the conclusion is fallacious . But even if we had that would not excuse you use of the fallacy .

(May 12, 2018 at 10:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 10:10 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: That is a logical fallacy called, “argument from incredulity”.

There is another logical fallacy called “Christianity”.  It leads to a moral, not just intellectual, shortcoming called “christardism”

This is a thread regarding science.  It does get into the realm of theology though a bit due to the implications of my OP.

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(May 12, 2018 at 10:13 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:If you believe that, I have some good beach front property in AZ I'd like to sell you at a good price.

Nope already own enough property. And i would never buy from you . But it makes sense you would be deceptive in property dealings as you are in science .  You are a creationist after all.

I always try to be honest.  It is the atheist who have only their own standard of morals per individual.  That leads to things like what happened in Nazi Germany.

Quote:This is a thread regarding science. 

No it isn't really . It's you ranting your delusions and fallacies . And us rightly telling you your wrong .

Quote: It does get into the realm of theology though a bit due to the implications of my OP.

Implication that exist nowhere accept in you mind.

(May 12, 2018 at 10:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 10:10 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: That is a logical fallacy called, “argument from incredulity”.

I feel the same about the atheist arguments in this thread.

We aren’t making any arguments.  You are making a positive argument (a conscious, intelligent mind created life on earth) and we are pointing out the flaws in that argument. If your argument for ID is, “I can’t imagine how it could have  happened naturally,” then your whole argument is grounded in a logical fallacy.

(May 12, 2018 at 10:17 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 10:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: There is another logical fallacy called “Christianity”.  It leads to a moral, not just intellectual, shortcoming called “christardism”

This is a thread regarding science.  It does get into the realm of theology though a bit due to the implications of my OP.

You have no idea what science is.  You think science is nothing more than another artifact of theism’s oldest and most revered practice of making shit up with conviction and inventing words to make them sound weighty.   All you know is science seem to work and impress a lot of people, so you see nothing wrong with misapplying the vocabulary of science to madeup bullshit from your religion.

Quote:I always try to be honest. 

Then you have failed 

Quote: It is the atheist who have only their own standard of morals per individual.  

Nope not all atheists are moral relativists many are moral realists . And theistic morality is utter garbage .  

Quote:That leads to things like what happened in Nazi Germany.

No it didn't . Nazism was a system that held to moral objectivity and traditionalism . The Nazi did not say in their opinion it was okay to kill the jews . They said it was a an objective moral imperative that the jews die . And most Nazis were theists and Germany was highly religious .And most of the Nazi's attrocites were right at home in theistic circles .

Quote:In 1543 Luther published On the Jews and Their Lies in which he says that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."[14] They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine."[15] The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..."[16] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer booksdestroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[17] afforded no legal protection,[18] and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[19] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them".[20] Luther claims that Jewish history was "assailed by much heresy", and that Christ swept away the Jewish heresy and goes on to do so, "as it still does daily before our eyes." He stigmatizes Jewish Prayer as being "blasphemous" (sic) and a lie, and vilifies Jews in general as being spiritually "blind" and "surely possessed by all devils." Luther has a special spiritual problem with Jewish circumcision.[21][22] The full context in which Martin Luther advocated that Jews be slain in On the Jews and Their Liesis as follows in Luther's own words:

(May 12, 2018 at 10:19 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:This is a thread regarding science. 

No it isn't really . It's you ranting your delusions and fallacies . And us rightly telling you your wrong .

Quote: It does get into the realm of theology though a bit due to the implications of my OP.

Implication that exist nowhere accept in you mind.

Where is your proof that the sophistication in the cell comes from a blind undirected process.  You can't even begin to start explaining that lie.  All you can say is it is chemistry.  No explanation.  You can't explain the functional information in DNA that performs coding of systems.  You can't explain the filing system of DNA and its construct coming about naturally,............

(May 12, 2018 at 10:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 10:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I feel the same about the atheist arguments in this thread.

We aren’t making any arguments.  You are making a positive argument (a conscious, intelligent mind created life on earth) and we are pointing out the flaws in that argument. If your argument for ID is, “I can’t imagine how it could have  happened naturally,” then your whole argument is grounded in a logical fallacy.

It's not that I can't imagine how it happened naturally, it's that it couldn't have happened naturally.

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(May 12, 2018 at 10:22 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 10:17 pm)CDF47 Wrote: This is a thread regarding science.  It does get into the realm of theology though a bit due to the implications of my OP.

You have no idea what science is.  You think science is nothing more than another artifact of theism’s oldest and most revered practice of making shit up with conviction and inventing words to make them sound weighty.   All you know is science seem to work and impress a lot of people, so you see nothing wrong misapplying the vocabulary of science to makeup shit from your religion.

I've studied more science than you think.  Do you realize how much science is involved in mechanical engineering studies and application?

Quote:Where is your proof that the sophistication in the cell comes from a blind undirected process.  You can't even begin to start explaining that lie.  All you can say is it is chemistry.  No explanation.  You can't explain the functional information in DNA that performs coding of systems.  You can't explain the filing system of DNA and its construct coming about naturally,............

Argument from ignorance 

(May 12, 2018 at 10:24 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:I always try to be honest. 

Then you have failed 

Quote: It is the atheist who have only their own standard of morals per individual.  

Nope not all atheists are moral relativists many are moral realists . And theistic morality is utter garbage .  

Quote:That leads to things like what happened in Nazi Germany.

No it didn't . Nazism was a system that held to moral objectivity and traditionalism . The Nazi did not say in their opinion it was okay to kill the jews . They said it was a an objective moral imperative that the jews die . And most Nazis were theists and Germany was highly religious .And most of the Nazi's attrocites were right at home in theistic circles .

They were into the occult and into survival of the fittest trying to build an improved world by killing those that were sick or had some kind of conditions.  That is what I am referring to.