(May 13, 2018 at 12:03 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is the atheist that believe in magical blind undirect processes created everything.

How many times do we have to tell you that atheists generally don't believe this. Nor do they generally believe that natural processes are directed.

How is telling someone that they currently believe something that they don't and explaining why it's wrong supposed to convince them of anything?

It would be like to trying to convince you that the christian god does not exist by asserting that you believe that he is the son of Thor even though you don't and explaining why Thor couldn't exist. Can you see why this is not going to achieve anything?

So if you want to learn how to debate, first start by dropping the strawman arguments.

(May 13, 2018 at 5:51 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 12:03 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is the atheist that believe in magical blind undirect processes created everything.

How many times do we have to tell you that atheists generally don't believe this. Nor do they generally believe that natural processes are directed.

How is telling someone that they currently believe something that they don't and explaining why it's wrong supposed to convince them of anything?

It would be like to trying to convince you that the christian god does not exist by asserting that you believe that he is the son of Thor even though you don't and explaining why Thor couldn't exist. Can you see why this is not going to achieve anything?

So if you want to learn how to debate, first start by dropping the strawman arguments.

Classic projection, really. The theist has a set of dogmatic beliefs therefore so must the atheist. The reality is that atheists believe whatever they want outside of theism. 

Atheism is simply the affirmative claim that one simply has no belief in any deity. It says precisely nothing about what any individual atheist may or may not believe about anything else. Nevertheless, the god-botherers assume that somehow atheism is a set all in lock step like themselves in an exercise akin to herding cats. They are unable to conceive of the notion that there is not some central dogma instructing them how and what to think. Why not? Because that is the daily experience of the god-botherer, from birth, they are instructed and brainwashed to believe that they have no free will, that morality is to be found in some holy book not in themselves, that their very own thoughts are unworthy and should be suppressed at all cost, that their dogma is paramount. 

And they self describe as "sheep" in a "flock" guided by a "shepherd". 

It is to laugh.

(May 13, 2018 at 3:39 am)Kit Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 3:25 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Again, no. Why don’t you shut the fuck up and let real scientist doing real science using real scientific methods tdetermine what signs they see and not see, and stop pretending your bible addled mind gives you leave to pipe up in any serious discussion?

If you're simply going to paste the same response to him over and over again, at least have the decency to use proper spelling and grammar.

Again, no. Why don’t you shut the fuck up and let real scientist doing real science using real scientific methods tdetermine what signs they see and not see, and stop pretending your bible addled mind gives you leave to pipe up in any serious discussion?

Honestly, you're just lowering yourself to CDF's level by putting yourself on repeat. It's not productive at all.

(May 13, 2018 at 2:09 am)CDF47 Wrote: There are serious scientists and great scientist that believe in a higher power in all fields.  More scientists believe in a higher power than there are atheistic scientists.  Some of the best scientists of all time believed in a higher power and in God and Newton said it actually helped him in his scientific field.

Quote:More scientist believe in a higher power than don't.

Most scientists at one time were christians (at least nominally), they lived in a world dominated by christianity, they had to be to get an education.

However I find your ability to selectively miss use information staggering, why would belief in a higher power mean that people support I.D. nonsense, they simply don't, the scientific community you mention above simply does not support your faith based assumptions. In fact they oppose it. You quote a a single source from one of the most religious country's in the world, lets see what the very same organisation says about your precious I.D.

Quote:The American Association for the Advancement of Science is the world's largest general scientific society. The AAAS serves some 262 affiliated societies and academies of science, serving 10 million individuals.

   A 2002 statement states: "[T]he lack of scientific warrant for so-called 'intelligent design theory' makes it improper to include as a part of science education."[1]...

But there is no significant controversy within the scientific community about the validity of the theory of evolution. The current controversy surrounding the teaching of evolution is not a scientific one."[2]

Evolution and Intelligent Design: Is intelligent design a scientific alternative to contemporary evolutionary theory? No. Intelligent design proponents may use the language of science, but they do not use its methodology. They have yet to propose meaningful tests for their claims, there are no reports of current research on these hypotheses at relevant scientific society meetings, and there is no body of research on these hypotheses published in relevant scientific journals. So, intelligent design has not been demonstrated to be a scientific theory.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sc...ent_design

I also find it odd that you claim bias, and yet at the same time claim that the scientific community has a 'theistic' majority. There is a very good reason I.D. proponents are laughed at, because they are trying to include faith based assumptions into science.

Also many bodies are against the I.D. nonsense.

Quote:Many other scientific organizations are opposed to teaching intelligent design as a science-based alternative to evolution, including:
New Orleans Geological Society
New York Academy of Sciences
Ohio Academy of Science
Ohio Math and Science Coalition
Oklahoma Academy of Sciences
Sigma Xi, Louisiana State University Chapter, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Society for Amateur Scientists
Society for Integrative and Comparative Biology
Society for Neuroscience
Society for Organic Petrology
Society for the Study of Evolution
Society of Physics Students
Society of Systematic Biologists
Society of Vertebrate Paleontology
Southern Anthropological Society
Virginia Academy of Science
West Virginia Academy of Science
American Association of Physical Anthropologists
American Geophysical Union
American Society of Biological Chemists
American Psychological Association
American Physical Society
American Society of Parasitologists
Association for Women Geoscientists
Australian Academy of Science
California Academy of Sciences
Ecological Society of America
Genetics Society of America
Geological Society of America
Georgia Academy of Science
History of Science Society
Iowa Academy of Science
Kentucky Paleontological Society
Louisiana Academy of Sciences
National Academy of Sciences
North American Benthological Society
North Carolina Academy of Science

https://www.aclu.org/other/what-scientif...ent-design

Seriously, against what you say is irrefutable evidence, in a scientific community you say is dominated by people who believe in a higher power ? Many of them are based in a country where you claim only 3% are atheists at yet at the same time shout bias.

You really are at best a conspiracy nut

(May 13, 2018 at 9:28 am)Joods Wrote: Honestly, you're just lowering yourself to CDF's level by putting yourself on repeat. It's not productive at all.

In your experience, when was the last productive discussion with a creationist about the origin and evolution of life?

Maybe if we quit feeding it, it will go away.

(May 13, 2018 at 10:25 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Maybe if we quit feeding it, it will go away.

It's only ever going to think it's won. It thinks it won on page 1. It will just create multiple new threads saying the same thing. This troll is a spammer.

(May 13, 2018 at 10:25 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Maybe if we quit feeding it, it will go away.

A few round of banter with theist nutjabs can be mindlessly entertaining. But I wonder whether there is a loss of sight on the big picture when multiple otherwise intelligent thinking people, evidently capable of contributing to society and human progress instead spend hours, thousands of words and hundreds of posts in an effort to enlighten one unenlightenable religious nutjab.

Quote:It is the atheist that believe in magical blind undirect processes created everything.

No we don't