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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:27 am
(May 15, 2018 at 1:21 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 1:14 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, I don't disagree with the simple definition of the term. Just logically speaking it would have to be at the lowest level of that machine type. The analogy to machines is incoherent at the lowest "levels" of biolgy.
Quote:LOL...I see what you are saying. I see it that the lowest level machine is the pump which is irreducibly complex. There is no other machine below this but a bunch of components.
You can "see it" however you like..but you;'re still flat wrong, and so was Behe.
Quote:What would it take for you to become believers that there is a Creator?
If people stopped fobbing off this ID shit all at once, that might do the trick. Imagine a world in which you think the ID thoughts but can;t form them into words. They just get stuck in your throat. It would be as if the lord of creation was sick of people lying about him and his design.
Kinda makes ya wonder why he doesn;t.....I bet there's a simple explanation for that. His post are just so full of fallacies and he has the balls to speak of logic .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:28 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 1:25 am)CDF47 Wrote: Proteins are molecular machines. It is not just an analogy.
We shall see who is wrong. I am still looking into it. "We've" already seen. You;re not our first creationist.
Quote:ID is scientific reasoning for a Creator.
No, it;s not. It;s a discredited theological concept used to manufacture single issue voting blocs.
Quote:Can't give that up. We've come so far in our discoveries. I am not lying. Everything I said I believe.
You can believe a lie and it will still be a lie, buddy, lol.............cmon. That;s kindof the entire point of propaganda like ID. It;s accuracy is unimportant compared to your acceptance of it as-fact.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:30 am
Quote:Proteins are molecular machines. It is not just an analogy.
Nope there biology
Quote:We shall see who is wrong. I am still looking into it.
Your wrong your quest is at an end
Quote:ID is scientific reasoning for a Creator.
No it's not it's fallacy ridden pseudoscience
Quote:Can't give that up.
I would give up the fallacy ridden pseudoscience
Quote:We've come so far in our discoveries.
None of which affirm your nonsense
Quote:I am not lying. Everything I said I believe.
Does not stop it from being a lie
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:38 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 1:28 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 1:25 am)CDF47 Wrote: Proteins are molecular machines. It is not just an analogy.
We shall see who is wrong. I am still looking into it. "We've" already seen. You;re not our first creationist.
Quote:ID is scientific reasoning for a Creator.
No, it;s not. It;s a discredited theological concept used to manufacture single issue voting blocs.
Quote:Can't give that up. We've come so far in our discoveries. I am not lying. Everything I said I believe.
You can believe a lie and it will still be a lie, buddy, lol.............cmon. That;s kindof the entire point of propaganda like ID. It;s accuracy is unimportant compared to your acceptance of it as-fact.
We will see.
No, it's not.
ID is not propaganda. What do you disagree with that I wrote? DNA contains information. Do you agree with that? And so on,...
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:42 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 1:38 am)CDF47 Wrote: ID is not propaganda.
The Panda Trial demonstrated otherwise. I linked the transcripts for you at the very beginning of the thread. You could have figured all of this out yourself.
Quote:What do you disagree with that I wrote. DNA contains information. Do you agree with that? And so on,...
Everything, CDF. You butchered it from the word go.
Now that we know..contrary to your previous statements..that ID actually is important to your faith, questions present themselves. Do you really need a "scientific reasoning" for a creator god? Why. Additionally, are you sure that god ability is detectable? If it were detectable, why would you look for it in the unguided processes of biology and reproduction?
If you did need a "scientific reasoning" and god ability was detectable and you could find it in biology.... wouldn;t it be important that the description were accurate?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:53 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 1:42 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 1:38 am)CDF47 Wrote: ID is not propaganda.
The Panda Trial demonstrated otherwise. I linked the transcripts for you at the very beginning of the thread. You could have figured all of this out yourself.
Quote:What do you disagree with that I wrote. DNA contains information. Do you agree with that? And so on,...
Everything, CDF. You butchered it from the word go.
Now that we know..contrary to your previous statements..that ID actually is important to your faith, questions present themselves. Do you really need a "scientific reasoning" for a creator god? Why. Additionally, are you sure that god ability is detectable? If it were detectable, why would you look for it in the unguided processes of biology and reproduction?
If you did need a "scientific reasoning" and god ability was detectable and you could find it in biology....wouldn;t it be important that the description were accurate?
Scientists determine what is propaganda or not, not lawyers and judges.
It is stated in the Bible that the Lord will make Himself known through His creation so it helps, especially as an engineer, to see the design of these systems. I think I would have faith regardless though just by looking at the creation, I would assume a Creator I would think.
God's abilities are detectable through the science we are talking about and whatever other way He wills. That's where He made it most detectable is in the information inside DNA.
Yes, an accurate description is important.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:56 am
(May 15, 2018 at 1:53 am)CDF47 Wrote: Scientists determine what is propaganda or not, not lawyers and judges. -and what do you think the court based it;s opinion on?
Quote:It is stated in the Bible that the Lord will make Himself known through His creation so it helps, especially as an engineer, to see the design of these systems. I think I would have faith regardless though just by looking at the creation, I would assume a Creator I would think.
Then own that,, and jettison this ID garbage. It cheapens you and your god.
Quote:God's abilities are detectable through the science we are talking about and whatever other way He wills. That's where He made it most detectable is in the information inside DNA.
The information in dna comes from the environment, not gods.
Quote:Yes, an accurate description is important.
Then work harder to make your actions reflect that ideological commitment.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 2:01 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 1:56 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 1:53 am)CDF47 Wrote: Scientists determine what is propaganda or not, not lawyers and judges. -and what do you think the court based it;s opinion on?
Quote:It is stated in the Bible that the Lord will make Himself known through His creation so it helps, especially as an engineer, to see the design of these systems. I think I would have faith regardless though just by looking at the creation, I would assume a Creator I would think.
Then own that,, and jettison this ID garbage. It cheapens you and your god.
Quote:God's abilities are detectable through the science we are talking about and whatever other way He wills. That's where He made it most detectable is in the information inside DNA.
The information in dna comes from the environment, not gods.
Quote:Yes, an accurate description is important.
Then work harder to make your actions reflect that ideological commitment.
The entire case was BS from what I read. I read in one case the judge just copy and pasted the scientists notes and made minor tweaks.
ID provides great information on the design of living systems, creation of the universe,... I never was so enthused about science then when I discovered ID a while ago. I think it's great.
I believe the information comes from God.
I already have worked hard for 203 pages.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 2:11 am
(May 15, 2018 at 2:01 am)CDF47 Wrote: I already have worked hard for 203 pages.
Oh dear.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 2:15 am
(May 15, 2018 at 2:11 am)Mathilda Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 2:01 am)CDF47 Wrote: I already have worked hard for 203 pages.
Oh dear.
That's all you have to add?
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