Well, God's plan is God's plan, what's up with believers quibbling with it at all ?

I dunt gettit . . .

After 13 pages of drivel I still don't know any any of them are here.  Do they really think they'll get brownie points from jebus?

(May 15, 2018 at 8:04 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: GC's pastor prays for a person to either live or die.  The person dies.  GC prays for someone to live or die.  The person dies.  GC prays yet again that a person lives or dies.  The person appears to be dying.  And GC sees this as a sign of divine providence?  Apparently P.T. Barnum was right, there is a sucker born every minute.

Seems to me you have no comprehension of what you read and because of your spiteful post you have no compassion when a person's mother is dying. May God have mercy on your soul.

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(May 15, 2018 at 10:05 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(May 15, 2018 at 8:04 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: GC's pastor prays for a person to either live or die.  The person dies.  GC prays for someone to live or die.  The person dies.  GC prays yet again that a person lives or dies.  The person appears to be dying.  And GC sees this as a sign of divine providence?  Apparently P.T. Barnum was right, there is a sucker born every minute.

I think his act of praying must really be for his own comfort.  Talking it over with the big guy probably helps him to feel better about it.  Perhaps the value of telling someone you're praying for them comes from them hearing that they are that important to you.

Exactly why shouldn't Christians tell others they are praying for them, oh yeah you do not know or understand the love of God and His people for their fellow man, to bad you are missing out on something so great. And it is obvious you and what's her name have no compassion for other, living or dying.

(May 15, 2018 at 11:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(May 15, 2018 at 10:05 am)Whateverist Wrote: I think his act of praying must really be for his own comfort.  Talking it over with the big guy probably helps him to feel better about it.  Perhaps the value of telling someone you're praying for them comes from them hearing that they are that important to you.

Exactly why shouldn't Christians tell others they are praying for them, oh yeah you do not know or understand the love of God and His people for their fellow man, to bad you are missing out on something so great. And it is obvious you and what's her name have no compassion for other, living or dying.

I don't say they shouldn't.  I'm just pointing out that the chief good it does the other person is to show you really do care about them.  Obviously that is said from the point of view I share with Jormy that prayer is an entirely intra-personal affair without interpersonal or transpersonal transfer.  I don't say there is anything wrong with it as such.  It is actually quite sweet.  But I sure wouldn't want to be distracted by that sort of thing on my own death bed.

(May 16, 2018 at 1:03 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(May 15, 2018 at 11:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Exactly why shouldn't Christians tell others they are praying for them, oh yeah you do not know or understand the love of God and His people for their fellow man, to bad you are missing out on something so great. And it is obvious you and what's her name have no compassion for other, living or dying.

I don't say they shouldn't.  I'm just pointing out that the chief good it does the other person is to show you really do care about them.  Obviously that is said from the point of view I share with Jormy that prayer is an entirely intra-personal affair without interpersonal or transpersonal transfer.  I don't say there is anything wrong with it as such.  It is actually quite sweet.  But I sure wouldn't want to be distracted by that sort of thing on my own death bed.

 When you are on your death bed you just might see things differently. Jormy seems to think we pray people dead, that's as false a statement that could have been said, we pray for mercy because we also ask for healing if that would be God's will. We can't know these things so compassion is what helps use in these things. I've asked for God's healing for mom for some time now and watching her suffer as she has I've asked God for His mercy upon her if He isn't going to heal her. I would rather her to be gone and at peace than to suffer the way she is with life. You must remember I do not believe she will be with God, I know she will.

GC

(May 15, 2018 at 11:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Exactly why shouldn't Christians tell others they are praying for them, oh yeah you do not know or understand the love of God and His people for their fellow man, to bad you are missing out on something so great. And it is obvious you and what's her name have no compassion for other, living or dying.

For me the first time the christian didn't know better and then I let them know I find it offensive. Then they continue to tell me. What should I think?

(May 16, 2018 at 2:32 am)Godscreated Wrote: Jormy seems to think we pray people dead, that's as false a statement that could have been said, we pray for mercy because we also ask for healing if that would be God's will.

In this case "God's mercy" is a euphemism for death. How is what I said in any sense false? You both pray for life and for death. When people then subsequently die, you take that as confirmation of your belief in God. How can you go wrong with that? Can you be any more stupid?

(May 16, 2018 at 7:44 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(May 15, 2018 at 11:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Exactly why shouldn't Christians tell others they are praying for them, oh yeah you do not know or understand the love of God and His people for their fellow man, to bad you are missing out on something so great. And it is obvious you and what's her name have no compassion for other, living or dying.

For me the first time the christian didn't know better and then I let them know I find it offensive. Then they continue to tell me. What should I think?

 You find that a person cares enough for you to take time out of their life to do something for you is offensive? Your compassion for others is lacking in comparison to what compassion others have for you.

GC

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(May 16, 2018 at 8:04 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 2:32 am)Godscreated Wrote: Jormy seems to think we pray people dead, that's as false a statement that could have been said, we pray for mercy because we also ask for healing if that would be God's will.

In this case "God's mercy" is a euphemism for death.  How is what I said in any sense false?  You both pray for life and for death.  When people then subsequently die, you take that as confirmation of your belief in God.  How can you go wrong with that?  Can you be any more stupid?

 No the conformation is God's mercy upon those we have prayed for. Death can be mercy, many on their death beds have asked God for just that thing mercy through death. It's certain I'm not on your high level of stupidity. Now hears this, we pray asking that if it is God's will that a person want recover from whatever is taking them to there end that He would be merciful and end their suffering. This is far different than what you are trying to tell others I said. Those you are trying to influence can read and understand well enough that they do not need your false interpretation of what I said.

GC

(May 17, 2018 at 12:21 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 8:04 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: In this case "God's mercy" is a euphemism for death.  How is what I said in any sense false?  You both pray for life and for death.  When people then subsequently die, you take that as confirmation of your belief in God.  How can you go wrong with that?  Can you be any more stupid?

 No the conformation is God's mercy upon those we have prayed for. Death can be mercy, many on their death beds have asked God for just that thing mercy through death. It's certain I'm not on your high level of stupidity. Now hears this, we pray asking that if it is God's will that a person want recover from whatever is taking them to there end that He would be merciful and end their suffering. This is far different than what you are trying to tell others I said. Those you are trying to influence can read and understand well enough that they do not need your false interpretation of what I said.

GC