(May 17, 2018 at 2:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 2:45 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, you have hardened your own heart against Him I believe.

You mean like he did to pharoah, so he could kill all those civilian non-combatants?

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(May 17, 2018 at 2:47 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's your choice.  I believe it is the wrong one and we have proof and strong evidence of that now.

Hardlyu.  You tell me god is x.  I tell you that's a shame, since I;m compulsively bound to -murder- people like x, not pledge them my allegiance.  It;s who I am, not someone I choose to be.  Presumably..I was created this way.  Fun fact, my name means hammer of god, lol.  It;s almost as if my parents knew they had a live one on their hands.

Do you understand?

Quote:I provided it throughout this entire thread.

Oh...you've provided evidence of something throughout this entire thread.....but not what you set out to prove.  Now who's sad?

Pharaoh hardened is own heart against the Lord as the Lord persistently put more pressure onto him.

Yeah, if you choose to disbelieve that is your own will.

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(May 17, 2018 at 3:14 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I wonder if a little executive summary is warranted.  Do you feel..CDF, that whatever "research" you did before committing to these boards and this thread sufficiently prepared you for what;s gone down?  On that note..has this gone as you imagined it would?

You;ve asked a few people what it would take to believe, for example.  Did you expect the responses you received?  You asked what people would do standing before the throne of judgement..did that go as planned?

What...in any of this thread..went to plan..more importantly, what didn;t?

Sure, I feel I provided truthful an adequate information to make my case clearly.  Yeah, to a degree it's gone how I thought.  Just hope someone takes my case and does some of their own research to see their may be a whole world of science they never even heard of before.  

Not really sure what they would say.  There were varying answers to that question.  

Again, I just hope someone learned something.  Maybe there were some lurkers that looked into the science I provided for the first time and realized there is a live debate going on over this as we speak in the scientific community.

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(May 17, 2018 at 4:06 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:It's your choice.  I believe it is the wrong one and we have proof and strong evidence of that now.

You have presented nothing but Irrationality,Propaganda . Distortions of science and empty pracher . No evidence . Not one shred of a creator of any form . You have failed completely to defend your magic fairy tales and your every point has either been refuted rendered irrelevant or shown to be a fallacy of reasoning .

Not true. That may be how you imagine it.

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(May 17, 2018 at 6:48 pm)Khemikal Wrote: IKR?  To hear it told, god just poofed understanding into CDFs head.  Seems like university would be a waste of time, in that case.

No, I really had to put the work in for that.  Many sleepless nights.

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(May 17, 2018 at 6:57 pm)Joods Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 2:07 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Evil and struggling are due to the fall of man when sin entered this world when Adam and Eve were expelled from Eden.

You've managed to avoid answering any of my questions so I'll ask again. 

How come people are starving? How come people have cancer? 

How come innocent children fall victim to physical and sexual abuse?

Sin entered into this world when man fell to the temptation of the devil and disobeyed God.  With sin came all the suffering of the world.

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(May 17, 2018 at 7:50 pm)possibletarian Wrote: It really is amazing the lengths god has gone to to make his 'mysterious ways' look exactly the same as no god at all.

Did you bother to watch the animated videos of how DNA works and how molecular machines work in and on the cell?  He is not hiding.  His design is clear in the creation as stated in the Scriptures.

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(May 17, 2018 at 7:06 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The devil did it, er, no, it;s mans fault, er, no..the devil did it..wait, they;re probably abominations,,, um, scratch that, I know... they hardened their hearts and have spiritual blindness!

Nvm, it;s all of the above, all of the things.  Fuck them, they deserve to burn!

The devil rebelled and was cast out of heaven first as I said.  God must have known of evil before then because He is all knowing but this was the first an angelic being may have known of evil I suppose.  The tree of knowledge of good and evil was in the Garden of Eden so the devil's fall must have happened first.  Adam and Eve then disobeyed God when tempted by the serpent and that brought about sin into the world when they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.  That was the fall of man.  I thought I clarified this last time.

(May 17, 2018 at 7:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Pharaoh hardened is own heart against the Lord as the Lord persistently put more pressure onto him.

Yeah, if you choose to disbelieve that is your own will.

That;s not what magic book says........

Quote:Sure, I feel I provided truthful an adequate information to make my case clearly.  Yeah, to a degree it's gone how I thought.  Just hope someone takes my case and does some of their own research to see their may be a whole world of science they never even heard of before.  

Not really sure what they would say.  There were varying answers to that question.  

Again, I just hope someone learned something.  Maybe there were some lurkers that looked into the science I provided for the first time and realized there is a live debate going on over this as we speak in the scientific community.

So it was a wash, you came with nothing and learned nothing.  Hallelujah!  

Quote:No, I really had to put the work in for that.  Many sleepless nights.

Shut your mouth, all credit goes to god.  Some asshole -just- told us that.

Quote:The devil rebelled and was cast out of heaven first as I said.  God must have known of evil before then because He is all knowing but this was the first an angelic being may have known of evil I suppose.  The tree of knowledge of good and evil was in the Garden of Eden so the devil's fall must have happened first.  Adam and Eve then disobeyed God when tempted by the serpent and that brought about sin into the world when they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.  That was the fall of man.  I thought I clarified this last time.

Jesus christ.........lol?

Allow me to make something crystal clear for you...so that your entire experience here isn;t net zero. I don;t choose to believe or disbelieve anything. That;s just something that happens. If I did believe in your god..however, that wouldn;t make me a christian. I;m incapable of being a christian. I;m not nearly craven enough for that. I own my actions, and I own the consequences. You came here thinking that if you "proved god" you would be manufacturing christians. Here....again, you were wrong..even if you managed to succeed at what you're clearly incapable of.

Do you understand?

(May 17, 2018 at 8:17 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 7:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Pharaoh hardened is own heart against the Lord as the Lord persistently put more pressure onto him.

Yeah, if you choose to disbelieve that is your own will.

That;s not what magic book says........

Quote:Sure, I feel I provided truthful an adequate information to make my case clearly.  Yeah, to a degree it's gone how I thought.  Just hope someone takes my case and does some of their own research to see their may be a whole world of science they never even heard of before.  

Not really sure what they would say.  There were varying answers to that question.  

Again, I just hope someone learned something.  Maybe there were some lurkers that looked into the science I provided for the first time and realized there is a live debate going on over this as we speak in the scientific community.

So it was a wash, you came with nothing and learned nothing.  Hallelujah!  

Quote:No, I really had to put the work in for that.  Many sleepless nights.

Shut your mouth, all credit goes to god.  Some asshole -just- told us that.

Quote:The devil rebelled and was cast out of heaven first as I said.  God must have known of evil before then because He is all knowing but this was the first an angelic being may have known of evil I suppose.  The tree of knowledge of good and evil was in the Garden of Eden so the devil's fall must have happened first.  Adam and Eve then disobeyed God when tempted by the serpent and that brought about sin into the world when they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.  That was the fall of man.  I thought I clarified this last time.

Jesus christ.........lol?

It is what it means when taken in context, the reason pharaoh's heart was hardened was because God was putting persistent pressure on Him.

The Bible does say you can choose the Lord.  

I did learn some things.  I always am learning.  I was created that way. I had to look some things up at times during this thread,...

All glory is to God.  I had to put in some tough work though.

Pride comes before the fall.

(May 17, 2018 at 8:21 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Pride comes before the fall.

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Proverbs 16:18

(May 17, 2018 at 8:17 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 7:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Pharaoh hardened is own heart against the Lord as the Lord persistently put more pressure onto him.

Yeah, if you choose to disbelieve that is your own will.

That;s not what magic book says........

Quote:Sure, I feel I provided truthful an adequate information to make my case clearly.  Yeah, to a degree it's gone how I thought.  Just hope someone takes my case and does some of their own research to see their may be a whole world of science they never even heard of before.  

Not really sure what they would say.  There were varying answers to that question.  

Again, I just hope someone learned something.  Maybe there were some lurkers that looked into the science I provided for the first time and realized there is a live debate going on over this as we speak in the scientific community.

So it was a wash, you came with nothing and learned nothing.  Hallelujah!  

Quote:No, I really had to put the work in for that.  Many sleepless nights.

Shut your mouth, all credit goes to god.  Some asshole -just- told us that.

Quote:The devil rebelled and was cast out of heaven first as I said.  God must have known of evil before then because He is all knowing but this was the first an angelic being may have known of evil I suppose.  The tree of knowledge of good and evil was in the Garden of Eden so the devil's fall must have happened first.  Adam and Eve then disobeyed God when tempted by the serpent and that brought about sin into the world when they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.  That was the fall of man.  I thought I clarified this last time.

Jesus christ.........lol?

Allow me to make something crystal clear for you...so that your entire experience here isn;t net zero.  I don;t choose to believe or disbelieve anything.  That;s just something that happens.  If I did believe in your god..however, that wouldn;t make me a christian.  I;m incapable of being a christian.  I;m not nearly craven enough for that. I own my actions, and I own the consequences.  You came here thinking that if you "proved god" you would be manufacturing christians.  Here....again, you were wrong..even if you managed to succeed at what you're clearly incapable of.

Do you understand?

Agreed, the Christian God can do one, even if it's real. There's very few here who would bow before it in my experience. The only reasons why they would are fear-related on the whole, which isn't much of an achievement for a preacher. "You're now as scared as me."

I'm glad this guy doesn't preach about hell, but without it, he doesn't even have that fear as leverage.

(May 17, 2018 at 8:21 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It is what it means when taken in context, the reason pharaoh's heart was hardened was because God was putting persistent pressure on Him.

The Bible does say you can choose the Lord.  

I did learn some things.  I always am learning.  I was created that way.  I had to look some things up at times during this thread,...

All glory is to God.  I had to put in some tough work though.

Pride comes before the fall.

I love it, you don;t believe in evolutionary biology -or- magic book.

Like I said before.  Not a christian.  You believe in psuedo-scientism and the unyielding "rightness" of whatever idiotic shit falls from your mouth.  Explain to me why I should waste any more of my time with you were god failed and wasted his?

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(May 17, 2018 at 8:32 pm)robvalue Wrote: Agreed, the Christian God can do one, even if it's real. There's very few here who would bow before it in my experience. The only reasons why they would are fear-related on the whole, which isn't much of an achievement for a preacher. "You're now as scared as me."

I'm glad this guy doesn't preach about hell, but without it, he doesn't even have that fear as leverage.

Oh, the idiot tried..he just picked the wrong audience.

(May 17, 2018 at 8:31 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 8:21 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Pride comes before the fall.

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Proverbs 16:18

Exactly.

Quote:The truth is God created the world and everything in it.  I can handle it.

Which is why I have dismissed you as just another fucking idiot.

(May 17, 2018 at 8:32 pm)robvalue Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 8:17 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That;s not what magic book says........

So it was a wash, you came with nothing and learned nothing.  Hallelujah!  

Shut your mouth, all credit goes to god.  Some asshole -just- told us that.

Jesus christ.........lol?

Allow me to make something crystal clear for you...so that your entire experience here isn;t net zero.  I don;t choose to believe or disbelieve anything.  That;s just something that happens.  If I did believe in your god..however, that wouldn;t make me a christian.  I;m incapable of being a christian.  I;m not nearly craven enough for that. I own my actions, and I own the consequences.  You came here thinking that if you "proved god" you would be manufacturing christians.  Here....again, you were wrong..even if you managed to succeed at what you're clearly incapable of.

Do you understand?

Agreed, the Christian God can do one, even if it's real. There's very few here who would bow before it in my experience. The only reasons why they would are fear-related on the whole, which isn't much of an achievement for a preacher. "You're now as scared as me."

I'm glad this guy doesn't preach about hell, but without it, he doesn't even have that fear as leverage.

The Bible says that all knees will bow one day.  In the presence of the almighty Lord every knee will bow.  Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.  It should a fear based on respect and honor that He is the almighty Creator and King.

Hell might be destroyed one day as the Bible states, death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire, this is the second death.  The Bible also discusses the destruction of the wicked a number of times.  It is the view of Annhilationists.

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(May 17, 2018 at 8:33 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 8:21 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It is what it means when taken in context, the reason pharaoh's heart was hardened was because God was putting persistent pressure on Him.

The Bible does say you can choose the Lord.  

I did learn some things.  I always am learning.  I was created that way.  I had to look some things up at times during this thread,...

All glory is to God.  I had to put in some tough work though.

Pride comes before the fall.

I love it, you don;t believe in evolutionary biology -or- magic book.

Like I said before.  Not a christian.  You believe in psuedo-scientism and the unyielding "rightness" of whatever idiotic shit falls from your mouth.  Explain to me why I should waste any more of my time with you were god failed and wasted his?

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(May 17, 2018 at 8:32 pm)robvalue Wrote: Agreed, the Christian God can do one, even if it's real. There's very few here who would bow before it in my experience. The only reasons why they would are fear-related on the whole, which isn't much of an achievement for a preacher. "You're now as scared as me."

I'm glad this guy doesn't preach about hell, but without it, he doesn't even have that fear as leverage.

Oh, the idiot tried..he just picked the wrong audience.

I believe the Bible is the inspired word of God and I believe in micro-evolution.  My interpretation on pharaoh is the common interpretation.

Name calling from behind a keyboard is so lame.

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(May 17, 2018 at 8:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:The truth is God created the world and everything in it.  I can handle it.

Which is why I have dismissed you as just another fucking idiot.

Again, name calling behind a keyboard and mouse is just lame.

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We know God exists through His creation (as science shows), through our moral conscious, and through the Bible.

Additionally, we have the The Archaeological Study Bible which presents many notes and articles documenting how archeology has again and again proven that the Bible does correspond to historical reality.

There are other kinds of evidence that the Bible is true. These have to do with internal consistency and coherence. Although the Bible was written over many centuries by different writers, the messages it contains are coherent and consistent. The Bible presents a coherent theology and worldview and presents this material consistently. Moreover, the Christian worldview is robust, reasonable and grounded in history.

Quote:Not true. That may be how you imagine it.

Nope it is true ans exactly how it happened and is still happening .