(May 17, 2018 at 9:27 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 6:35 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Really, the AIDS for god thing again where you were caught in a lie? You have no credibility here.

He lied about having AIDS?!

Might not be a lie, but a misunderstanding of the diagnosis.  Could be an autoimmune condition rather than an immunodeficiency syndrome -- same body system but malfunctioning in opposite ways.

(May 17, 2018 at 11:43 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 9:34 am)Shell B Wrote: So you know enough about astrophysics to say they’re wrong?

As I said this comes from scientist making the statement. What's wrong with repeating them.

(May 17, 2018 at 11:43 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 2:21 am)Mathilda Wrote: I suspect that you didn't speak to a real professional scientist. Which field are you talking about for a start? Things can be very different for each field. See, if you had moaned about the pressure to publish or perish it would have given your post more credibility, but what you said is more akin to a popular misconception by non-scientists.

like I posted to ShellB, it was not my statement it came from another on a National Geographic show.

OK so now we're getting closer to the truth here. You didn't actually speak to a scientist in person, you saw something on a TV program which was edited according to what someone else, a non-scientist, deemed would make for interesting viewing about one particular field and you are applying that to all of science. Let me just remind you ...

(May 17, 2018 at 12:46 am)Godscreated Wrote: Many scientist today are writing things just to throw papers and information out there so they can claim they were the first to say this or that when and if those things are proven. This comes from scientist that are becoming disappointed by the way science is turning to guessing for the sake of fame.

Truth is that every scientific field has its challenges. Astrophysics is trying to figure out what it is measuring from incredibly vast distances with very little data. So of course there are going to be lots of hypotheses. It's part of the process. Give it slightly more data and the vast majority of those hypotheses will be discarded. Cellular biology has vast amounts of data to sift through so they have to mine for any pattern they can. A cynic being edited for ratings on a TV program would say they are just looking for patterns with no understanding. But that's how the understanding comes about in time. In Artificial Intelligence a cynic such as me could claim that people are writing smart programs and calling them intelligent when it really they are not, but it's still part of the process as you need to find out the scope of any technique so you can then understand why it is limited and why natural intelligence is the way it is.

But instead you saw a generic scientist on a TV program talk about the challenges specific to his own particular field and applied that to all of science because you need to convince yourself that your own non-scientific personal religious 'truth' is valid.

(May 18, 2018 at 2:23 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 11:43 pm)Godscreated Wrote: As I said this comes from scientist making the statement. What's wrong with repeating them.

(May 17, 2018 at 11:43 pm)Godscreated Wrote: like I posted to ShellB, it was not my statement it came from another on a National Geographic show.

OK so now we're getting closer to the truth here. You didn't actually speak to a scientist in person, you saw something on a TV program which was edited according to what someone else, a non-scientist, deemed would make for interesting viewing about one particular field and you are applying that to all of science. Let me just remind you ...

An atheist scientist made the statement on an atheistic show that did not need to be edited, since you seem to think all of the things a Christian has to say to you is lies I see no reason to continue this discussion with you.

(May 17, 2018 at 12:46 am)Godscreated Wrote: Many scientist today are writing things just to throw papers and information out there so they can claim they were the first to say this or that when and if those things are proven. This comes from scientist that are becoming disappointed by the way science is turning to guessing for the sake of fame.

Truth is that every scientific field has its challenges. Astrophysics is trying to figure out what it is measuring from incredibly vast distances with very little data. So of course there are going to be lots of hypotheses. It's part of the process. Give it slightly more data and the vast majority of those hypotheses will be discarded. Cellular biology has vast amounts of data to sift through so they have to mine for any pattern they can. A cynic being edited for ratings on a TV program would say they are just looking for patterns with no understanding. But that's how the understanding comes about in time. In Artificial Intelligence a cynic such as me could claim that people are writing smart programs and calling them intelligent when it really they are not, but it's still part of the process as you need to find out the scope of any technique so you can then understand why it is limited and why natural intelligence is the way it is.

But instead you saw a generic scientist on a TV program talk about the challenges specific to his own particular field and applied that to all of science because you need to convince yourself that your own non-scientific personal religious 'truth' is valid.[/quote]

 My religion is not non-science, some people may be but i and many of my fellow Christian friends enjoy science and follow what is being explored. Of coarse we reject some of what secular scientist have to say because we know how biased they are toward creation science which you and your ilk will not accept, even without reading about what creation science has to say about things you will automatically reject the data, so why should I pay attention to secular scientist... I do because I know they are smart and that a few do not try and fit data to their personal opinions. They make statements as to the reality of things when they have no evidence period, why do I need to do a face to face with a secular scientist in any field, I trust them to lie to a creationist from the get go.

GC

Quote:I disagree, scientist are drawing conclusions about planets they have never seen,

 

EVERYONE draws conclusions about things they have never seen (a little thing called 'inference'), but the conclusions drawn by science are always and without exception provisional ones.  That is  what makes science 'science', instead of amateurish conjecture, which is the province of religion.

Quote:like they are this or they are that. When in reality they have no clue about those unseen planets.

 
I'm sure you don't realize it, but that statement in a glaring admission that you haven't the foggiest notion of what science is or how it works.

Quote:Many scientist today are writing things just to throw papers and information out there so they can claim they were the first to say this or that when and if those things are proven.

I'd be delighted if you could name a single scientist who is doing this, and reference the paper in which they did it, and the journal which published it.

 

Quote:This comes from scientist that are becoming disappointed by the way science is turning to guessing for the sake of fame.

See my response immediately prior:  Which scientists are disappointed?  Which scientists are 'guessing'?  For bonus points, can you -without resorting to Wikipedia - name 10 famous, living scientists?

Boru

(May 18, 2018 at 4:17 am)Godscreated Wrote: Of coarse we reject some of what secular scientist have to say because we know how biased they are toward creation science which you and your ilk will not accept, even without reading about what creation science has to say about things you will automatically reject the data, so why should I pay attention to secular scientist... I do because I know they are smart and that a few do not try and fit data to their personal opinions. They make statements as to the reality of things when they have no evidence period, why do I need to do a face to face with a secular scientist in any field, I trust them to lie to a creationist from the get go.

Hah, 'creation science'. How can we use 'creation science'? What practical use is there for it? What has it ever given us that we can make use of?

Fuck all.

Fake science gives fake answers.

(May 18, 2018 at 5:28 am)robvalue Wrote: Fake science gives fake answers.

You take that back!

(May 17, 2018 at 9:27 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 6:35 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Really, the AIDS for god thing again where you were caught in a lie? You have no credibility here.

He lied about having AIDS?!

No he didnt.

I had several hundred skin lesions all over my neck arms and upper torso that a doctor identified as pusstuals from a skin virus that late stage AIDS patients usually have. they gave me an HIV test waited two weeks came back positive. they gave me another one in that two weeks calmed down and made my piece with God and the lesions went away on their own. and the test came back negative. took several since all came back negative.

I made the observation that not all AIDS cases were HIV induced. the unintellegent here never heard such a thing and called me a liar, honestly didn't have the want to argue it. these ass hole were looking for a rope to hang me with not the truth so I let it go witha few links and no further explaination.

https://www.google.com/search?q=non+hiv+...e&ie=UTF-8

I think I referred to this version as an autoimmune deficiency syndrome. Which covers the lack of white cell production and the over production of white cells which again is what triggered my cancer scare a few years ago.

To an honest person one could see the relationship in that my body has a tough time regulating whie cells. I either run hot and over produce or cold and run out.

But again these a-hole were looking for a rope that day and found one. so for now on I'm the liar

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(May 17, 2018 at 3:04 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 2:39 pm)Drich Wrote: My life is an open book I invite any of you to come and check it out.

We've read it, and what we found is that you're a liar.   In response to having your lies pointed out to you, you just lie some more and deflect.


5 The righteous hate what is false, but the wicked make themselves a stench and bring shame on themselves.
Proverbs 13:5

said the bible shamer..

You truly can't see your own hyprocrisy anymore can you?

You call me a liar and then ask me bible based questions, when I give you bible based answers you can not refute you move on, yet when I provide you with any information that can be disputed I am a liar again... 

riddle me this, If I'm the untrustworthy liar then why ask me anything? Because it is not truth you seek but an opportunity to silence me. I've shamed you more than once for your backwards thinking and now you want silence from me.. So much so you turn to the bible (love the smell of irony in that) to do so.

Here's the thing my confused sister.. despite how you may judge me, I answer to God. the rest whether it be name calling or accolaids in the end is meaningless. you words harsh or kind does not make a dint in my light bill, my monthly quotas nor how I view nor what I am willing to share here. there is not even a second thought to go back to any topic and discuss it again and again as these things all were used to bring me to this point. too fantastic for you to grasp accet or not. This is my testimony and I will not be ashamed of any of it highs or lows..

(May 17, 2018 at 11:45 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 11:33 am)Drich Wrote: it's a play on valkyrie's thread pop corn God.. I made this 'pop corn science' but dropped the pop corn god and added the word science.. To show the same people who used the pop corn god frame work to satirically tear apart religion could not introspective look at their own beliefs and see the error, rather they took offense and tore apart the satirical frame work of pop corn science.

Oh, right.   Your genius for humor is now clear for all to see now that you’ve kindly explained it.  

You should quit all your jobs and do stand up routines full time.  Let that be your subsistence.

(May 18, 2018 at 3:05 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 9:27 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: He lied about having AIDS?!

No he didnt.

I had several hundred skin lesions all over my neck arms and upper torso that a doctor identified as pusstuals from a skin virus that late stage AIDS patients usually have. they gave me an HIV test waited two weeks came back positive. they gave me another one in that two weeks calmed down and made my piece with God and the lesions went away on their own. and the test came back negative. took several since all came back negative.

I made the observation that not all AIDS cases were HIV induced. the unintellegent here never heard such a thing and called me a liar, honestly didn't have the want to argue it. these ass hole were looking for a rope to hang me with not the truth so I let it go witha few links and no further explaination.

https://www.google.com/search?q=non+hiv+...e&ie=UTF-8

I think I referred to this version as an autoimmune deficiency syndrome. Which covers the lack of white cell production and the over production of white cells which again is what triggered my cancer scare a few years ago.

To an honest person one could see the relationship in that my body has a tough time regulating whie cells. I either run hot and over produce or cold and run out.

But again these a-hole were looking for a rope that day and found one. so for now on I'm the liar

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(May 17, 2018 at 3:04 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: We've read it, and what we found is that you're a liar.   In response to having your lies pointed out to you, you just lie some more and deflect.


5 The righteous hate what is false, but the wicked make themselves a stench and bring shame on themselves.
Proverbs 13:5

said the bible shamer..

You truly can't see your own hyprocrisy anymore can you?

You call me a liar and then ask me bible based questions, when I give you bible based answers you can not refute you move on, yet when I provide you with any information that can be disputed I am a liar again... 

riddle me this, If I'm the untrustworthy liar then why ask me anything? Because it is not truth you seek but an opportunity to silence me. I've shamed you more than once for your backwards thinking and now you want silence from me.. So much so you turn to the bible (love the smell of irony in that) to do so.

Here's the thing my confused sister.. despite how you may judge me, I answer to God. the rest whether it be name calling or accolaids in the end is meaningless. you words harsh or kind does not make a dint in my light bill, my monthly quotas nor how I view nor what I am willing to share here. there is not even a second thought to go back to any topic and discuss it again and again as these things all were used to bring me to this point. too fantastic for you to grasp accet or not. This is my testimony and I will not be ashamed of any of it highs or lows..

Autoimmune deficiency syndrome.



I certainly hope everyone suffers from a deficiency in autoimmune response, if they corrected their deficiency autoimmune response, they’d be very sick and possibly die.

Drich, not surprising for a Christian, or a trump supporter, believe truth has nothing to do with reality, but has everything to do doubling down many times on whatever bullshit so happen to suit fancy.

(May 16, 2018 at 4:58 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Homeopathy is science.

You take that back!!