(May 20, 2018 at 1:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 1:25 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I am arguing for both.  They go hand-in-hand.

You think that christianity and psuedo science go hand in hand?  That would be unfortunate.  Educated christians disagree, at any rate.

Christianity and the discoveries of DNA and the fine-tuned universe go hand-in-hand.  This is science, not psuedoscience as you like to call it.

That's not what magic book says.  Magic book says that you were made from mud and that the basis of heredity includes what color stick your mother was staring at whenever she got knocked up.  Further, that the very earth beneath your feet will rise up to harm you.

Entirely absent is this "dna" business or any finely tuned universe. That;s you and your ID nonsense, knowing better than god, and still managing to know nothing.

Let me ask you this again, and try to provide an honest answer this time. Not for my benefit or for the boards, for your own. If ID were proven wrong, would that prove your silly religion wrong?

(May 20, 2018 at 12:55 pm)Kit Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 12:52 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, there are false religions and false teachers as stated in the Scriptures.

If I was going to create a religion, that is precisely what I would include to make people dismiss other religions. Careful and critical analysis of fiction writing has come a long way in disproving religious belief and religious writings as truth.

Let's not forget the fact that if there was indeed one true god, he would have been smart enough to not allow for any competition.
Evidently this is a flaw of humans. They never think this religious stuff through at all.

(May 20, 2018 at 12:55 pm)Kit Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 12:52 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, there are false religions and false teachers as stated in the Scriptures.

If I was going to create a religion, that is precisely what I would include to make people dismiss other religions.  Careful and critical analysis of fiction writing has come a long way in disproving religious belief and religious writings as truth.

*bump bump*

(May 20, 2018 at 1:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 1:05 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If you say so.  Tell me more about how 90% of magic book is symbolic, again.  Then remind me where in magic book you found anything about ID and genetics?

Or, if you prefer, you could expound on the colored stick theory of animal husbandry.

No, 10 percent is supernatural (not 90 percent symbolic).  Although there is a lot of symbolism in the Bible.  Below are the symbols used:

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/RT_encyclo...el_symbols

The Bible states you can find God in His creation and that life is in the blood.  Both are true.

What is human sacrifice symbolic of?
What is slavery symbolic of?

Christurds always wheel out this crap. #that is why the term "apologetics" turned up. They have to somehow apologise for the evil deity and his evil acts.

A great many cling to the notion that the NT somehow obviates the OT. Jebus himself said "no" and the old rules still apply. But they try to brush that under the carpet with tassles on the end.

The obvious question the faithful come up with is "god is all powerful" which we know it isn't. "god has a plan", which we know he doesn't. And "god loves us all" which we know he doesn't. And some how we are supposed to aspire to grovel at the feet of a thug.

Blow that, if and when I pop my clogs, there is no way I would grovel before such a scumbag even if he existed. I and most everyone here are morally superior to your raping, pillaging, wanton blood thirsty deity.

Would I kill innocents? Not on your nellie. But god says it is OK.

Would I rape my own daughter? Not remotely, but your god says it is OK.

Would I kill my son for picking up sticks on the wrong day? Not a chance of it.

All of these things are, to you, moral. Explain that.

Now it so happens that my eldest is transgender. Who accepts that and who does not? While I have been at pains to explain that she/he remains the same person regardless, the religious cast her/him as an evil demon possessed nightmare worthy of death.

This is the superstitious nonsense to which you are wedded.

(May 20, 2018 at 1:48 pm)Joods Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 12:55 pm)Kit Wrote: If I was going to create a religion, that is precisely what I would include to make people dismiss other religions.  Careful and critical analysis of fiction writing has come a long way in disproving religious belief and religious writings as truth.

Let's not forget the fact that if there was indeed one true god,  he would have been smart enough to not allow for any competition.
Evidently this is a flaw of humans.  They never think this religious stuff through at all.

Indeed.

(May 20, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That's not what magic book says.  Magic book says that you were made from mud and that the basis of heredity includes what color stick your mother was staring at whenever she got knocked up.  Further, that the very earth beneath your feet will rise up to harm you.

Entirely absent is this "dna" business or any finely tuned universe.  That;s you and your ID nonsense, knowing better than god, and still managing to know nothing.

Let me ask you this again, and try to provide an honest answer this time.  Not for my benefit or for the boards, for your own.  If ID were proven wrong, would that prove your silly religion wrong?

It says God is evident in His creation.

(May 20, 2018 at 1:49 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 1:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, 10 percent is supernatural (not 90 percent symbolic).  Although there is a lot of symbolism in the Bible.  Below are the symbols used:

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/RT_encyclo...el_symbols

The Bible states you can find God in His creation and that life is in the blood.  Both are true.

What is human sacrifice symbolic of?
What is slavery symbolic of?

Christurds always wheel out this crap. #that is why the term "apologetics" turned up. They have to somehow apologise for the evil deity and his evil acts.

A great many cling to the notion that the NT somehow obviates the OT. Jebus himself said "no" and the old rules still apply. But they try to brush that under the carpet with tassles on the end.

The obvious question the faithful come up with is "god is all powerful" which we know it isn't. "god has a plan", which we know he doesn't. And "god loves us all" which we know he doesn't. And some how we are supposed to aspire to grovel at the feet of a thug.

Blow that, if and when I pop my clogs, there is no way I would grovel before such a scumbag even if he existed. I and most everyone here are morally superior to your raping, pillaging, wanton blood thirsty deity.

Would I kill innocents? Not on your nellie. But god says it is OK.

Would I rape my own daughter? Not remotely, but your god says it is OK.

Would I kill my son for picking up sticks on the wrong day? Not a chance of it.

All of these things are, to you, moral. Explain that.

Now it so happens that my eldest is transgender. Who accepts that and who does not? While I have been at pains to explain that she/he remains the same person regardless, the religious cast her/him as an evil demon possessed nightmare worthy of death.

This is the superstitious nonsense to which you are wedded.

And many of those who say the OT no longer applies still want the 10 commandments displayed everywhere and quote from Leviticus when they make comments opposing gay marriage.

(May 20, 2018 at 1:52 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That's not what magic book says.  Magic book says that you were made from mud and that the basis of heredity includes what color stick your mother was staring at whenever she got knocked up.  Further, that the very earth beneath your feet will rise up to harm you.

Entirely absent is this "dna" business or any finely tuned universe.  That;s you and your ID nonsense, knowing better than god, and still managing to know nothing.

Let me ask you this again, and try to provide an honest answer this time.  Not for my benefit or for the boards, for your own.  If ID were proven wrong, would that prove your silly religion wrong?

It says God is evident in His creation.

It also states that bats are birds, the world is flat, and a person can survive in the stomach of a fish...

(May 20, 2018 at 1:52 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: That's not what magic book says.  Magic book says that you were made from mud and that the basis of heredity includes what color stick your mother was staring at whenever she got knocked up.  Further, that the very earth beneath your feet will rise up to harm you.

Entirely absent is this "dna" business or any finely tuned universe.  That;s you and your ID nonsense, knowing better than god, and still managing to know nothing.

Let me ask you this again, and try to provide an honest answer this time.  Not for my benefit or for the boards, for your own.  If ID were proven wrong, would that prove your silly religion wrong?

It says God is evident in His creation.

Does magic book say "and also, behes discredited theory is true, too".................?

If ID were wrong, would that make your religion wrong?