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**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: May 22, 2018 at 2:24 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

If someone says that x doesn;t exist..they;re not saying you're going to have trouble finding x, they're saying you will never find x. Trouble is, we found x.

Similarly, when someone claims that something is impossible, they;re not claiming that it is difficult or unlikely.

Again, ID did try to leave itself enough weasel language to move around..but it got cornered on every front almost simultaneously. All of it's claims contradicted by data, every prediction falsified.

Let me give you an example of the same claim in a credible theory (as opposed to a discredited hypothesis). Modern Synth claims that you will -never- find a pre-cambrian dog. Is that falsifiable, can that be tested? Sure can. Creationists really ought to be looking for those paw prints.

**Joods** · May 22, 2018 at 2:24 pm

(May 22, 2018 at 10:36 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 22, 2018 at 10:34 am)Khemikal Wrote: Magic book says the ground beneath your feet has been "designed" to kill you.

And it says the Lord is here to save me.

It also says the following: (https://www.alternet.org/belief/11-kinds...ove-ignore )

Quote:[*]Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. Leviticus 19:19

[*]Ye shall not round the corners of your heads. Leviticus 19:27

[*]All that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you. Leviticus 9:10

[*]Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk. Exodus 23:19
[*]When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. Leviticus 15: 19-20
[*]When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Deuteronomy 25:11-12
[*]Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys. 2 Kings 2:23-25 NIV
[*]Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered. Matthew 21:18-22 NIV

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From that same website comes the following:

Quote:Times when the Bible God is worse than Satan. In the Bible, Satan is described as a roaring lion who prowls the earth, seeking whom he may devour. But if you actually read the stories, Satan doesn’t do much other than to tempt people into disobeying the dictates of Yahweh, who acts like a heavenly dictator with borderline personality disorder. God, by contrast, professes his undying love, kindness and mercy, but then commands his minions to commit brutal atrocities when he isn’t up for it himself.

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.Numbers 31:17-18

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And this little gem:

Quote:Instructions for slave masters. The reality is that the Bible says much more in support of slavery than against it. Even the New Testament Jesus never says owning people is wrong. Instead, the Bible gives explicit instructions to masters and slaves. Awkward.

You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5 NLT

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I could go on, but I posted the link so you can clearly see the rest of the absurdity that is your bible, for yourself. You probably won't though because you believe it to be the infallible word of your pathetic god.
Tell me, do you eat cheeseburgers?

Anomalocaris · May 22, 2018 at 2:27 pm

(May 22, 2018 at 2:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If someone says that x doesn;t exist..they;re not saying you're going to have trouble finding x, they're saying you will never find x. Trouble is, we found x.

Similarly, when someone claims that something is impossible, they;re not claiming that it is difficult or unlikely.

Again, ID did try to leave itself enough weasel language to move around..but it got cornered on every front almost simultaneously. All of it's claims contradicted by data, every prediction falsified.

Let me give you an example of the same claim in a credible theory (as opposed to a discredited hypothesis). Modern Synth claims that you will -never- find a pre-cambrian dog. Is that falsifiable, can that be tested? Sure can. Creationists really ought to be looking for those paw prints.

So practically, a theory that says something doesn’t exist and will never be found is indistinguishable from a theory that says something exists but will likely take longer than you have to find.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: May 22, 2018 at 2:31 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

(May 22, 2018 at 2:27 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: So practically, a theory that says something doesn’t exist and will never be found is indistinguishable from a theory that says something exists but will likely take longer than you have to find.

Those sound like two very different theories, practically and literally...not that the sort of practicality I think you're commenting on is really relevant.

Science can be hard. Wasn;t quite as hard as the creationists were hoping for, in the case of their prediction. Irony abounds.

**Joods** · May 22, 2018 at 2:47 pm

(May 22, 2018 at 10:52 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 22, 2018 at 10:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I think his point is that you're lukewarm, and the Lord will spit you out. Creationists are faithful and those who accept scientific findings are not, but ID proponents are fence-sitters.

OK, that makes no sense.

(May 22, 2018 at 10:52 am)Khemikal Wrote: God-as-Dr. Moreau. Trouble is, that's not what magic book says. Nor does god have anything to do with you or your boy behe.

What would it take to get you to accept the word of god?

The Bible says the life of the flesh is in the blood.

"The bible says..."
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Jesus motherfucking christ on a goddamn cracker man. Are you capable of free thought or do you just readily accept every single thing your holy book tells you?

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: May 22, 2018 at 2:59 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

I think his habit of rewriting what magic book -meant- to say shows that he's perfectly capable of free thought..and, in fact, prefers it to the "symbolism" of magic book.

Personally, I can;t get him to accept a single damned thing magic book says.

**Joods** · (November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)

(May 22, 2018 at 11:02 am)CDF47 Wrote: Atheism is a dangerous non-belief system. I think it leads to suicides since people are hopeless. The Huffington Post actually did an article on it:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ath...ec613b812b

And here's an article on your god and how he and your precious bible is dangerous to children.

Quote:Christianity teaches children that they are intrinsically evil; they did nothing wrong, but just by being born and being alive, they are evil. This is a terrible thing to teach children, not only because it is false, but because it is the exact wrong message children should be taught, which is that they are intrinsically wonderful, noble, and lovable, and that they have boundless goodness inside them.

Christianity teaches children that there exists a powerful, evil Devil. A most dangerous demon. Beware! This horrible falsity infuses their childhood with needless fear and dread, and teaches them that the world is a dangerous place, with a malevolent demon lurking in the wait. In my own research, I’ve interviewed many adults who describe the whole Satan thing as a decidedly traumatic element of their children, and in some egregious cases, unambiguously abusive.

Christianity teaches children that God killed his own child to make up for our wickedness. In other words, we are evil, and by killing his own child, our evil is somehow wiped away and forgiven. Our guilt is cleansed. But how does that work? If I abuse my wife, and then a cop comes over and kills my son, does that atone for the wickedness I committed against my wife? How so? Only I can atone for my own wrongdoings and harmful actions. If I abuse my wife, I need to make amends in order to earn her forgiveness. I can’t kill our cat instead. And besides, why couldn’t God forgive us without killing his son? Does he require a blood sacrifice, like some pagan ogre? The entire story of Jesus “dying for our sins” makes no moral or ethical sense, and it is an extremely confusing/disturbing tale to tell our children.

Christianity teaches children that those who accept Jesus as their personal savior are good/saved/going to heaven and those that do not accept Jesus as their personal savior are sinful and destined for hell. This can cause children to feel smug, superior, self-righteous, judgmental, and to look down upon and condemn others – be they kids on the schoolyard, neighbors, or even relatives.

There are more examples in the article.

(May 22, 2018 at 11:10 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 22, 2018 at 11:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: Maybe those have something to do with the community around the atheists... you ever think of that?

Christians are persecuted as well. I think the suicide problem is more prominent in atheists mainly due to lack of hope and due to despair.

Really? Name one group of christians, living in today's society, more specifically, in the United States, where christians are being persecuted.

(May 22, 2018 at 11:12 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 22, 2018 at 11:07 am)Khemikal Wrote: Think that might have something to do with assholes like you ostracizing those who don;t believe in behe and threating them with eternal damnation while shaming their very existence?

I doubt that god looks down kindly on that.

I have not done that on this site. I just warned that non-believers are going to have to face judgment day as stated in Scripture. Not sure if Annihilationism is true or eternal torment but it is worth thinking about if your an atheist in the face of all the scientific proof and evidence of design.

Who the hell are you to warn anyone of anything? You don't have all-knowing powers so you can't say with any degree of certainty that there will even be a judgment day at all. Just because your bible says there will be a second coming of christ, doesn't make it true.

Furthermore you still have yet to demonstrate any sort of scientific proof of your opinion on design.

(May 22, 2018 at 11:19 am)CDF47 Wrote: Jesus was not a communist. Also, most children find hope in Jesus as they are rightly taught.

You mean indoctrinated. Again, I say that if you were born in the middle east, you would have been indoctrinated to believe in Islam.

Amarok · May 22, 2018 at 4:31 pm

Quote:How about the communist regimes that killed 10's of millions of people with no regard for human life.

Communism is not Atheism .And Communism didn't kill anybody power mad dictators did . And lastly all those death are on your god for not saving them . Your as guilty for sitting back and doing nothing when you could help as you are for directly killing someone .

**Joods** · May 22, 2018 at 4:33 pm

(May 22, 2018 at 12:09 pm)CDF47 Wrote: That sounds good to me, I am interested in discussing other topics on the forum. This one has just consumed so much of my time though.

Really? You're interested in other topics here? Tell me, besides your other introductory thread, where else have you consistently posted to show such an interest?

This one consumes much of your time because you refuse to have an open mind about anything other than what you believe?

Amarok · (This post was last modified: May 22, 2018 at 5:00 pm by Amarok.)

Quote:Atheism is a dangerous non-belief system. I think it leads to suicides since people are hopeless. The Huffington Post actually did an article on it:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ath...ec613b812b

Bullshit Atheism is not a belief system and it's no prescriptions . It's a rejection of a proposition . Therefore Atheism could not kill anyone. Thus this article is bullshit .

Why the bible and christianity is bad for you health .
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives...psychology

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