Like I said..a man who doesn;t act as though he believes I;m about to be hit by a train.

So...why should I....?

(May 24, 2018 at 9:29 am)Khemikal Wrote: Like I said..a man who doesn;t act as though he believes I;m about to be hit by a train.

So...why should I....?

Do you believe?

The more important question, do you?  If you don;t, or can;t manage to at least -act- as though you do..theres zero chance of you being able to convince me or provide an example to me of belief.

(May 24, 2018 at 9:38 am)Khemikal Wrote: The more important question, do you?  If you don;t, or can;t manage to at least -act- as though you do..theres zero chance of you being able to convince me or provide an example to me of belief.

I absolutely do.  You know that.  Do you think I have been a bad example as a Christian?

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What Led You To Become An Atheist? Some Surprising Answers

David Murray

What leads people away from religion and into atheism? That’s the question that fascinated Larry Taunton so much that he launched a nationwide series of interviews with hundreds of college-age atheists.

His question was simple: “What led you to become an atheist?”

The answers were surprising, creating a completely unexpected composite sketch of American college-aged atheists. Here’s a summary from his article, Listening to Young Atheists: Lessons for A Stronger Christianity.

1. They had attended church: Most of them had a church background and had chosen atheism in reaction to Christianity.

2. The mission and message of their churches was vague: While there were many messages about doing good in the community, “they seldom saw the relationship between that message, Jesus Christ, and the Bible.”

3. They felt their churches offered superficial answers to life’s difficult questions: Churches did not address questions like creation v evolution, sexuality, reliability of the Bible, purpose of life, etc. Messages were bland, shallow, irrelevant, and boring.

4. They expressed their respect for those ministers who took the Bible seriously: This is summed up in one student’s response: ”I really can’t consider a Christian a good, moral person if he isn’t trying to convert me.”

5. Ages 14-17 were decisive: Most embraced unbelief in the high school years.

6. The decision to embrace unbelief was often an emotional one: Although all gave rational reasons for becoming atheists, for most there were powerful emotional reasons too – usually associated with suffering.

7. The internet factored heavily into their conversion to atheism: Instead of being “converted” through the popular New Atheists, most were influenced by Youtube videos and website forums.

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What has led you to becoming an atheist?

(May 24, 2018 at 9:46 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 24, 2018 at 9:38 am)Khemikal Wrote: The more important question, do you?  If you don;t, or can;t manage to at least -act- as though you do..theres zero chance of you being able to convince me or provide an example to me of belief.

I absolutely do.  You know that.  Do you think I have been a bad example as a Christian?

I know that you've been a bad example, because I actually have good christians in my life as examples....and ofc I have a magic book that lays out exactly -how- you've been a bad example..if you;re even a christian to begin with.  You don;t act like you believe a word that comes out of your own mouth, let alone the words that allegedly sprung forth from the mouth of god.

The rest of that shit you posted has nothing to do with me...and nothing to do with christ.....  so into the trash it goes.

So heres lesson one, failed fisherman, listen to your prospective converts. I;ve already answered your question. I've simply never been a believer. I never "became" an atheist.

(May 24, 2018 at 8:43 am)CDF47 Wrote:   

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(May 24, 2018 at 8:08 am)Mathilda Wrote: It will be there for any lurkers who want to peruse through 500 pages and be convinced of CDF47's argument even though he claims to have won the debate in the first post.

I was mostly kidding about winning the debate in the first post.  I thought most of you would get that.  It was mainly just a joke, although I think I do have a great argument in post 1.

Bullshit. You argued for dozens of posts clearly stating your position that you felt you won the debate from the first post. There were no smiley icons or anything else to show differently. Matter of fact, you were absolute in your viewpoints and have been for well over 340 pages now. If you were joking, you would have said as such and NOT continually repeated what you said. Your weak, meager attempts to backtrack have betrayed you just as much as your posts have.

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(May 24, 2018 at 8:12 am)Khemikal Wrote: CDF makes a better case against christ than any of us ever could, lol.

I think I made a very good case for Christ.

 

Actually, you've made a rather shitty case for your god. You are all over the place. You have just as many inconsistencies as your bible.

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(May 24, 2018 at 8:40 am)robvalue Wrote: If he really believed his first post was so watertight, so strong that there was no possible way to refute it, then repeating it endlessly for 300 pages wouldn't be necessary. Clearly victory, to him, is achieved by shouting the loudest and longest.

LOL, sometimes that it is the way to go damn it!  Just kidding man.

At this point, the smartest thing you could do is to just shut the fuck up.

(May 24, 2018 at 9:53 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 24, 2018 at 9:46 am)CDF47 Wrote: I absolutely do.  You know that.  Do you think I have been a bad example as a Christian?

I know that you've been a bad example, because I actually have good christians in my life as examples....and ofc I have a magic book that lays out exactly -how- you've been a bad example..if you;re even a christian to begin with.  You don;t act like you believe a word that comes out of your own mouth, let alone the words that allegedly sprung forth from the mouth of god.

The rest of that shit you posted has nothing to do with me...and nothing to do with christ.....  so into the trash it goes.

So heres lesson one, failed fisherman, listen to your prospective converts.  I;ve already answered your question.  I've simply never been a believer.  I never "became" an atheist.

Could that change though, if you simply never believed.

(May 24, 2018 at 9:56 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 24, 2018 at 9:53 am)Khemikal Wrote: I know that you've been a bad example, because I actually have good christians in my life as examples....and ofc I have a magic book that lays out exactly -how- you've been a bad example..if you;re even a christian to begin with.  You don;t act like you believe a word that comes out of your own mouth, let alone the words that allegedly sprung forth from the mouth of god.

The rest of that shit you posted has nothing to do with me...and nothing to do with christ.....  so into the trash it goes.

So heres lesson one, failed fisherman, listen to your prospective converts.  I;ve already answered your question.  I've simply never been a believer.  I never "became" an atheist.

Could that change though, if you simply never believed.

Sure, but certainly not by anything you've thusfar offered up.  

Lesson two - your message should speak to your crowd.  Theres certainly no dearth of material to work with, what convinces you may not convince another.

(May 24, 2018 at 9:56 am)Joods Wrote:

(May 24, 2018 at 8:43 am)CDF47 Wrote:   

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I was mostly kidding about winning the debate in the first post.  I thought most of you would get that.  It was mainly just a joke, although I think I do have a great argument in post 1.

Bullshit. You argued for dozens of posts clearly stating your position that you felt you won the debate from the first post. There were no smiley icons or anything else to show differently. Matter of fact, you were absolute in your viewpoints and have been for well over 340 pages now. If you were joking, you would have said as such and NOT continually repeated what you said. Your weak, meager attempts to backtrack have betrayed you just as much as your posts have.

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I think I made a very good case for Christ.

 

Actually, you've made a rather shitty case for your god. You are all over the place. You have just as many inconsistencies as your bible.

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LOL, sometimes that it is the way to go damn it!  Just kidding man.

At this point, the smartest thing you could do is to just shut the fuck up.

I don't use the emojis.  I'll say LOL when I am kidding.  I mentioned a number of times in this thread that I was mainly joking about that.

No, I don't believe that's true.  I responded to questions as they've come in.

No, no way.

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(May 24, 2018 at 9:58 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 24, 2018 at 9:56 am)CDF47 Wrote: Could that change though, if you simply never believed.

Sure, but certainly not by anything you've thusfar offered up.  

Lesson two - your message should speak to your crowd.  Theres certainly no dearth of material to work with, what convinces you may not convince another.

Atheists like to use science as there reasoning for disbelief commonly.  So that is the playing field I brought this argument to.  I believe science proves the existence of a Creator.  What message would you bring to this crowd that you think would be more successful?

(May 24, 2018 at 10:00 am)CDF47 Wrote:

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(May 24, 2018 at 9:58 am)Khemikal Wrote: Sure, but certainly not by anything you've thusfar offered up.  

Lesson two - your message should speak to your crowd.  Theres certainly no dearth of material to work with, what convinces you may not convince another.

Atheists like to use science as there reasoning for disbelief commonly.  So that is the playing field I brought this argument to.  I believe science proves the existence of a Creator.  What message would you bring to this crowd that you think would be more successful?

If you insist on using science rather than magic book..you mean?  Perhaps an argument that doesn;t rely on discredited pseudo-science, for starters.  

Lesson three ; never lie for christ.  It;s counterproductive.
(and not for nothing, but, "jesus" hates that)