Thanks for the quadruple negative.

(May 25, 2018 at 12:53 am)ignoramus Wrote: Who said they don't exist?
You are employing the black raven paradox!

All the ravens I've seen are black, therefore all ravens are black! wrong!
All the fairies near you are invisible, therefore you've come to the false conclusion that all faeries don't exist! Wrong!
I don't believe whales exist, because I've never seen one! ever!
Is that white stuff called snow even a thing? I think it's just for effects in movies

I had an aunt who did think that snow was a thing in the movies.

(May 25, 2018 at 12:55 am)Losty Wrote: Not reasonable to not believe. Confusing question

It's basically the same question as "Is it reasonable to not believe?". Which isn't confusing.

I took it as like a posh, formal and often Britishian way of asking the question. There's this quote from Time Bandits:

Quote:God isn't interested in technology. He cares nothing for the microchip or the silicon revolution. Look how he spends his time, forty-three species of parrots! Nipples for men! Slugs! HE created slugs! They can't hear. They can't speak. They can't operate machinery. Are we not in the hands of a lunatic? If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!

My bold.

Us Britishians are always asking questions with "not", are we not?

I guess Kit turned Britishian or something.

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(May 25, 2018 at 3:36 am)Joods Wrote: I can't answer a question containing a double negative.

Are you not unsure you can't?

Oh wait. That was a triple negative. Nevermind.

(May 25, 2018 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 24, 2018 at 11:52 pm)Kit Wrote: Is it not reasonable to not believe in fairies despite there being no evidence they don't exist?

Take your time.

Considering the logic that lead to an answer of "yes", is it too far fetched to substitute "fairies" for "god"?

Take your time.

(May 25, 2018 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: Concerning Fairy tales what harm would belief bring?

As a child they are often/were used as a easy to remember tale of warning or cautionary by nature. As an adult the meaning still can be extrapolated and used to keep one from falling into foolish situations.

In medieval England people believed that fairies stole loved ones and replaced them with copies.
On one occasion a woman came home acting not quite herself. (probably been down the pub or something.
Her husband killed her and waited for his "real" wife to come home.

That's what silly belief can do.

(May 25, 2018 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: Where fairy tales become ludacris to believe is when they are compared to scientific 'tales' that demand your total allegiance. Therefore one is made or programed to think no 'good' can come from anything besides a 'scientific tale.'

Are you seriously comparing the only method for establishing truth and excluding bias from knowledge to fairy stories.

You truly are a fool.

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(May 25, 2018 at 12:04 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: [quote='ignoramus' pid='1762968' dateline='1527224020']
Who said they don't exist?
You are employing the black raven paradox!

All the ravens I've seen are black, therefore all ravens are black! wrong!
All the fairies near you are invisible, therefore you've come to the false conclusion that all faeries don't exist! Wrong!
I don't believe whales exist, because I've never seen one! ever!
Is that white stuff called snow even a thing? I think it's just for effects in movies

I had an aunt who did think that snow was a thing in the movies.

To be fair to your Aunt I have seen snow in movies.

(May 24, 2018 at 11:52 pm)Kit Wrote: Is it not reasonable to not believe in fairies despite there being no evidence they don't exist?

Take your time.

Considering the logic that lead to an answer of "yes", is it too far fetched to substitute "fairies" for "god"?

Take your time.

Ignoramous has the right of it. Because inductive inference is not deductively closed, there always exists the possibility that an unknown can become a known at the drop of a hat. One might suggest that the number of exemplars that one is making an induction from is related to the confidence one can have in the induction, but that measure of confidence is in relation to the total size of the undiscovered continent, and not solely on what is known. So while it may be reasonable to withhold belief, it may not be as justified to conclude the question of the existence of fairies or God in the negative. I think that judgement awaits more conclusive arguments based on what God is, rather than what he is not.

Is that weasonable?

The modern gods that people believe in nowadays are usually far more absurd than faeries. They're usually completely logically incoherent and hence impossible (usually but not always).

The mythological gods of the past are more akin to faeries.

(May 25, 2018 at 1:17 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Is that weasonable?

Depends on the specific god claim, I'd think.  Though, obviously....I see no credible out for god claims at this point.  They;re not "undiscovered country".  We just keep "discovering" these fairy islands and putting them on maps even though we know damn well that no sailor ever has or ever will wash up on their shores.

Sure, we can always say "but what if you're wrong!" - about everything..but to quote my favorite hopi myth. I wish I wish I wish- said the snake.

The faithful have made the object of their own faiths unsalvagable, imo.

(May 25, 2018 at 1:07 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(May 25, 2018 at 10:06 am)Drich Wrote: In medieval England people believed that fairies stole loved ones and replaced them with copies.
On one occasion a woman came home acting not quite herself. (probably been down the pub or something.
Her husband killed her and waited for his "real" wife to come home.

That's what silly belief can do.


Are you seriously comparing the only method for establishing truth and excluding bias from knowledge to fairy stories.

You truly are a fool.

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I had an aunt who did think that snow was a thing in the movies.

To be fair to your Aunt I have seen snow in movies.

Wow... that was very poor phone text (my bad).   I meant snow was only on TV

You know I remember when I was 8 years old I borrowed "Faeries" by Brian Froud from the library. I remember reading this book, that also has a lot of pictures, alone in the room and all of a sudden I got petrified. Our ancestors imagined them as really scary creatures. So at one point I looked around myself and started imagining that they could be coming underneath the sofa, trough the window, from the corner, out of the box, from the closet... For few moments I was so scared that I could actually hallucinate them around me so I ran out of the room.

The trigger especially came after seeing this guy and how he kills people and then re-dyes his hat red with human blood

You know who actually appears to believe in fairies? Mel Gibson. In 1997 he (his company) made and appeared in a movie about girls that claimed to photograph the fairies. The movie is called "Fairy Tale: A True Story" - the predecessor of Gibson's biggest movie about a creature from the fairy land. The movie takes fairies serious, like they really exist and girls really photographed them and everybody in the movie that doesn't believe in the fairies is a sad empty shell of a human being (even Harry Houdini believed in them according to this movie!)

We also learn that belief in fairies enriches people's lives, it literally brings hope to sick and sad people, but although belief in fairies make us happy we should not pray to them to heal us but we should pray to our guardian angel.

But what is extra stupid about this movie is that by that time even those girls, that grew up in old women, admitted that they faked the whole shebang and yet Mel Gibson and his movie does not care; they don't even mention it like in the post movie screen, Mel is going to believe in fairies no matter what.