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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 3:52 am
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You could only be disagreeing with yourself. Either what you accepted before is true..or your current denial is true. You -just- told me computers had intelligence. I doubt that either of us thinks they have mind.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 3:54 am
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(May 26, 2018 at 3:52 am)Khemikal Wrote: You could only be disagreeing with yourself. Either what you accepted before is true..or your current denial is true. You -just- told me computers had intelligence. I doubt that either of us thinks they have mind.
What I agreed to before is that rocks contain Shannon information and that everything in the universe comes from a Creator. I never said it was intelligent information. That is a different type of information.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 3:54 am
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Thats odd, since noboby asked anything about any of that, nor did you mention any of that.
Let's try again. Do computers possess mind or intelligence?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 3:55 am
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(May 26, 2018 at 3:54 am)Khemikal Wrote: Thats odd, since noboby asked anything about any of that, nor did you mention any of that.
We discussed it a long time ago.
(May 26, 2018 at 3:54 am)Khemikal Wrote: Thats odd, since noboby asked anything about any of that, nor did you mention any of that.
Let's try again. Do computers possess mind or intelligence?
Computers do not have a mind. There is an intelligence programmed into them.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 3:58 am
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So, computers do not possess a mind, while they do express intelligence. Ergo.."intelligent design" could be a product of a mindless thing.
...so long as it has intelligence.
Agreed?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 3:59 am
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(May 26, 2018 at 3:58 am)Khemikal Wrote: Agreed, computers do not possess a mind, while they do express intelligence. Ergo.."intelligent design" could be a product of a mindless thing.
...so long as it has intelligence.
Agreed?
Their intelligence is only due to their creator.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:03 am
Obviously not the case. Not everything that we create is a computer...agreed?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:06 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:03 am)Khemikal Wrote: Obviously not the case. Not everything that we create is a computer...agreed?
Agreed, but everything we created is created by us and is either a random mess or is complex and specific to varying degrees. Just think about the number of man-hours it takes to produce a single pencil from concept design to shipment. Then think of what a space station would take. The specified complexity of the space station comes no where near that of DNA in the cell and what is accomplished at a nano-scale. All glory to God.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:07 am
(May 26, 2018 at 3:50 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 3:46 am)Khemikal Wrote: It wouldnt actauly matter if that were neccesarrily true, which it is;nt.
Mindless things can possess intelligence. Agree or disagree?
Based on what I have seen in this thread I would have to disagree.
Seriously though, no there are different types of information. Something that is totally mindless lacks any intelligence.
Oh balls. There are different ways to conceive of information, primarily Shannon's or the Kolmogorov-Chaitin. CSI is just pseudoscientific bullshit.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:09 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:07 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 3:50 am)CDF47 Wrote: Based on what I have seen in this thread I would have to disagree.
Seriously though, no there are different types of information. Something that is totally mindless lacks any intelligence.
Oh balls. There are different ways to conceive of information, primarily Shannon's or the Kolmogorov-Chaitin. CSI is just pseudoscientific bullshit.
CSI is an important aspect of science. ID is used in multiple fields like archeology, anthopology, forensics, SETI,...
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