(May 26, 2018 at 10:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It;s a fun convo, we could hijack this trolls thread and discuss the alleged need for an intelligent creator in computational systems, Piet.

That would show who the real trolls are in this thread.

Silence, troll.  You had nearly 400 pages to discuss this intelligent design and designer of yours.  You didn;t wanna. It;s run it;s course and you're out of steam.

(May 26, 2018 at 10:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Silence, troll.  You had nearly 400 pages to discuss this intelligent design and designer of yours.  You didn;t wanna.  It;s run it;s course and you're out of steam.

I discussed it and brought clear evidence that living systems and the universe were created.

(May 26, 2018 at 10:44 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I discussed it and brought clear evidence that living systems and the universe were created.

You keep using that word "evidence". I don't think it means what you think it means.

Still making professions of the articles of your alleged faith.  You already handled that on page 1 post 1.  Theres no need to repeat yourself for 400 pages, or 400 more pages.

It;s up to people who want to have a discussion to salvage this waste of a thread, now. A discussion of the limits and products of self organization would be worthwhile in ways that listening to you repeat your ignorant declarations of belief simply isn;t and never will be.

You believe stuff, you've already informed us, so what, who cares?

(May 26, 2018 at 10:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Still making professions of the articles of your alleged faith.  You already handled that on page 1 post 1.  Theres no need to repeat yourself for 400 pages, or 400 more pages.

It;s up to people who want to have a discussion to salvage this waste of a thread, now.  A discussion of the limits and products of self organization would be worthwhile in ways that listening to you repeat your ignorant declarations of belief simply isn;t and never will be.

You believe stuff, you've already informed us, so what, who cares?

Self organization?  Impossible with what we are talking about.

More page one post one nonsense, but thanks. 

Quote:That would show who the real trolls are in this thread.

No it would not

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Quote:Self organization?  Impossible with what we are talking about.

Argument from personal incredulity

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Quote:I discussed it and brought clear evidence that living systems and the universe were created.

Not even remotely

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Quote:It is correct.

Not even close

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Quote:Nuh Ah

Uh huh

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Quote:I am trying to listen but the computer needed an intelligent creator in the first place.

Fallacies so many  Fallacies

Ways to not act like a troll:

1) Join/start a discussion about a different topic

2) Say something new and relevant about the current topic

3) Stop talking about the current topic if you've nothing new to say

(May 26, 2018 at 6:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 1:11 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Would you like to revise your earlier statements then, and claim that a paper airplane is intelligent, for example, since it was also created by us?   I feel like you're reflexively disagreeing more out of fear, than sense.

This is pretty mundane stuff.

It is not intelligent but it is complex and specified and has a Creator.

Specified according to what criteria? Yours? We have already established that you have none.

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(May 26, 2018 at 10:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 9:54 pm)Khemikal Wrote: So, then, if a paper airplane is not intelligent, the fact that a computer is.. is not for having been created by us..this is a trait that a computer shares with unintelligent things, like paper airplanes.  

I;m entirely uninterested in your creator beliefs, at present...though I;m amused that you capitalized it out of habit even though you were referring to human beings.

Moving forward, if you're ready to participate..now.

A mindless intelligence can account for the sorts of information which you take to be instructive.  Agreed?

It takes an intelligent mind to be instructive.

Does it? Apparently your god is reluctant to do so. Have you an example of your god doing anything at all let alone "instruction"? Of course not. Because you are just a dumb follower of your priests. You have no thought of your own.

(May 26, 2018 at 10:32 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 10:31 pm)Kit Wrote: Not really.

The first cause had to be an intelligent mind that built the machine.

So you claim. So far you are absent any evidence. I can claim it was the pixies with equal validity. I have faith in the pixies and my faith is bulletproof against your worship of human sacrifice. Away with your bloodthirsty god.

(May 26, 2018 at 10:32 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 10:32 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Not what I asked you, no more true than the last thing you said to avoid answering a simple question, and frankly...disappointing.

You tell me when you're ready to participate in your own thread.  K?

The first cause had to be an intelligent mind that built the machine.

Again with the unevidenced claims.

(May 26, 2018 at 10:35 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 10:34 pm)Kit Wrote: Incorrect, and I will repeat it for every time you repeat your nonsense.

It is correct.

Your simplistic assertion is weak. Have you evidence? Of course not.

(May 26, 2018 at 10:37 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 10:35 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: I agree it doesn't.

But it DOES take an intelligent mind to be RECEPTIVE.

And that's something CDF47 lacks greatly.

I don't think we have failed to explain things to him. I think we have explained things to him and he's failed to make sense of our accurate explanations.

But even if we're all crap at explaining (and explaining isn't my strong point at all, unless you include explaining to myself or IOW: Thinking. I speak my own language, in a way)... that doesn't make us unintelligent. But his unreceptiveness does make him unintelligent.

I am trying to listen but the computer needed an intelligent creator in the first place.

Back to the wild claims.

(May 26, 2018 at 10:42 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 10:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It;s a fun convo, we could hijack this trolls thread and discuss the alleged need for an intelligent creator in computational systems, Piet.

That would show who the real trolls are in this thread.

Oh, we already know the troll in this thread. Does it come as a surprise to you that it is you?

(May 26, 2018 at 10:44 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 10:43 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Silence, troll.  You had nearly 400 pages to discuss this intelligent design and designer of yours.  You didn;t wanna.  It;s run it;s course and you're out of steam.

I discussed it and brought clear evidence that living systems and the universe were created.

Nope. You refused to have any discussion in favour of shouting your claims louder. You are deeply uninterested in any discussion of any sort, preferring to blast your superstition at high volume as though that might substitute for an argument. You are so reduced that you have nothing better that to stamp your widdle feet and demand agreement. Pathetic.

(May 26, 2018 at 11:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 26, 2018 at 10:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Still making professions of the articles of your alleged faith.  You already handled that on page 1 post 1.  Theres no need to repeat yourself for 400 pages, or 400 more pages.

It;s up to people who want to have a discussion to salvage this waste of a thread, now.  A discussion of the limits and products of self organization would be worthwhile in ways that listening to you repeat your ignorant declarations of belief simply isn;t and never will be.

You believe stuff, you've already informed us, so what, who cares?

Self organization?  Impossible with what we are talking about.

Consider snowflakes. They self organise, right? You are promoting shit. All you have is the childish excuse of "Just because". I eliminated that from my kids years ago. I eliminated that from myself 40 years ago.

It happens when one grows up