(May 29, 2018 at 9:35 am)Drich Wrote: Honestly that is what I think we are being groomed here for now. To play a role in another planet's or another people's spiritual evolution.

That said I asked a similar question a few years ago to help people see God in a different light meaning rather than spirituality and mysticism to view God through our current language and through 'scientific categorization.'

I point out firstly that God Jesus The Holy SPirit all of Heaven and everything who dwells in it, can be considered to be alien or more specifically a trans dimensional being. Before the Alien reboot/prometheus I asked something similar to what you asked in that what if a race of aliens could show documentation/video or through some technology/holodeck bring you to the point of creation to show you that they were the ones who seeded this universe that moses and the prophets was their guy, that Jesus was their guy, but for the most part our bibles were wrong.

Here are these people with holodeck proof that our bibles were wrong. Who do we believe a christians?

Then I point out the role of the Anti-Christ. It would be his job to sow such doubt all over the world and poison the minds of the people to such a degree that no one else could/would be saved. At which point God decides the cup of man's iniquity has overfilled.. Meaning if there are no ore savable people the purpose of this life and this world is over, so begins it's end.

I know my version of the story is a little different than yours but the net result would be the same. The Anti-Christ (anti=Not Christos= the savior) but stands in his place In my story as the real jesus that our bibles messed up or in your story as the 'scientific proof that our religion who has God creator of the universe does not mention these aliens. which again serves as the anti Christ plays the same role. that is to end salvation and trigger the end.

Once the end is triggered and judgement is passed I think we spend 1000 years living and learning under God there is one more great temptation by satan to push the fence sitters one way or the other, then i think we are assigned jobs. Those jobs will include bringing the good news (as prophets) to 'your alien races.'
Again tht is what I think.

The bible does not say God is an alien I took the definition and applied it to God. The bible does not say the antichrist is an alien I simply said if one came up and tried to separate us from God to "take away salvation from the world. He would by definition be playing the role of the Anti-Christos. The bible does say once the anti Christ does this and the last soud who is to be save has been saved this will trigger the beginning of the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0

Once the judgement is complete we are told there will be 1000 years of peace and we will live with God during that time. then after that 1000 years satan will be released from hell to further test/cull those who really don't want to serve God. once those are gone then we will be indeed be given jobs. I speculate that those infinite jobs have something to do with the infinite number of stars we have in our skies.

...And if in your world there are aliens who do not know God.. then why would we not be sent out to the to show them who god is?

It would seem in that case that you have an example of the Liar's Paradox, and neither conclusion would be safe.

(May 29, 2018 at 9:35 am)Drich Wrote: I point out firstly that God Jesus The Holy SPirit all of Heaven and everything who dwells in it,

Unsubstantiated claims that God, Jesus, the holy spirit, heaven blah blah blah all exist

(May 29, 2018 at 9:35 am)Drich Wrote: Then I point out the role of the Anti-Christ. It would be his job to sow such doubt all over the world and poison the minds of the people to such a degree that no one else could/would be saved. At which point God decides the cup of man's iniquity has overfilled.. Meaning if there are no ore savable people the purpose of this life and this world is over, so begins it's end.

Unsubstantiated claims of the existence of an anti-christ and it's role

(May 29, 2018 at 9:35 am)Drich Wrote: The bible does not say God is an alien I took the definition and applied it to God.

Unsubstantiated claim that of the existence of Mr God

I've been generous here. Anything where you talking about what you think happens or what a book says hasn't been marked as an unsubstantiated claim.

(May 29, 2018 at 9:35 am)Drich Wrote: Once the judgement is complete we are told there will be 1000 years of peace and we will live with God during that time. then after that 1000 years satan will be released from hell to further test/cull those who really don't want to serve God. once those are gone then we will be indeed be given jobs. I speculate that those infinite jobs have something to do with the infinite number of stars we have in our skies.

...And if in your world there are aliens who do not know God.. then why would we not be sent out to the to show them who god is?

Lol

So your vision of paradise boils down to 'now that the bad ones are finally gone here on Earth, we can get down to the important business of evangelizing other galaxies'? 

Drich's Apocalypse: Where Everybody is a Star (even busybodies with delusions of grandeur)

(May 29, 2018 at 10:01 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 29, 2018 at 9:35 am)Drich Wrote: I point out firstly that God Jesus The Holy SPirit all of Heaven and everything who dwells in it,

Unsubstantiated claims that God, Jesus, the holy spirit, heaven blah blah blah all exist

(May 29, 2018 at 9:35 am)Drich Wrote: Then I point out the role of the Anti-Christ. It would be his job to sow such doubt all over the world and poison the minds of the people to such a degree that no one else could/would be saved. At which point God decides the cup of man's iniquity has overfilled.. Meaning if there are no ore savable people the purpose of this life and this world is over, so begins it's end.

Unsubstantiated claims of the existence of an anti-christ and it's role

(May 29, 2018 at 9:35 am)Drich Wrote: The bible does not say God is an alien I took the definition and applied it to God.

Unsubstantiated claim that of the existence of Mr God

I've been generous here. Anything where you talking about what you think happens or what a book says hasn't been marked as an unsubstantiated claim.

but the alien in the op.. that's ok because the op said so?

two faced hypocrite

(May 29, 2018 at 11:02 am)Drich Wrote:

Mathilda Wrote: [....]

but the alien in the op.. that's ok because the op said so?

two faced hypocrite

I don't know if there's such a thing as a perfect idiot, but if there is, you're certainly in the running.

(May 29, 2018 at 11:02 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 29, 2018 at 10:01 am)Mathilda Wrote: I've been generous here. Anything where you talking about what you think happens or what a book says hasn't been marked as an unsubstantiated claim.

but the alien in the op.. that's ok because the op said so?

Do you know what a hypothetical question is?

(May 29, 2018 at 9:44 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 29, 2018 at 9:35 am)Drich Wrote: Honestly that is what I think we are being groomed here for now. To play a role in another planet's or another people's spiritual evolution.

That said I asked a similar question a few years ago to help people see God in a different light meaning rather than spirituality and mysticism to view God through our current language and through 'scientific categorization.'

I point out firstly that God Jesus The Holy SPirit all of Heaven and everything who dwells in it, can be considered to be alien or more specifically a trans dimensional being. Before the Alien reboot/prometheus I asked something similar to what you asked in that what if a race of aliens could show documentation/video or through some technology/holodeck bring you to the point of creation to show you that they were the ones who seeded this universe that moses and the prophets was their guy, that Jesus was their guy, but for the most part our bibles were wrong.

Here are these people with holodeck proof that our bibles were wrong. Who do we believe a christians?

Then I point out the role of the Anti-Christ. It would be his job to sow such doubt all over the world and poison the minds of the people to such a degree that no one else could/would be saved. At which point God decides the cup of man's iniquity has overfilled.. Meaning if there are no ore savable people the purpose of this life and this world is over, so begins it's end.

I know my version of the story is a little different than yours but the net result would be the same. The Anti-Christ (anti=Not Christos= the savior) but stands in his place In my story as the real jesus that our bibles messed up or in your story as the 'scientific proof that our religion who has God creator of the universe does not mention these aliens. which again serves as the anti Christ plays the same role. that is to end salvation and trigger the end.

Once the end is triggered and judgement is passed I think we spend 1000 years living and learning under God there is one more great temptation by satan to push the fence sitters one way or the other, then i think we are assigned jobs. Those jobs will include bringing the good news (as prophets) to 'your alien races.'
Again tht is what I think.

The bible does not say God is an alien I took the definition and applied it to God. The bible does not say the antichrist is an alien I simply said if one came up and tried to separate us from God to "take away salvation from the world. He would by definition be playing the role of the Anti-Christos. The bible does say once the anti Christ does this and the last soud who is to be save has been saved this will trigger the beginning of the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0

Once the judgement is complete we are told there will be 1000 years of peace and we will live with God during that time. then after that 1000 years satan will be released from hell to further test/cull those who really don't want to serve God. once those are gone then we will be indeed be given jobs. I speculate that those infinite jobs have something to do with the infinite number of stars we have in our skies.

...And if in your world there are aliens who do not know God.. then why would we not be sent out to the to show them who god is?

It would seem in that case that you have an example of the Liar's Paradox, and neither conclusion would be safe.

that's not how a liars paradox works.
Liar paradox

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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In philosophy and logic, the classical liar paradox or liar's paradox is the statement of a liar who states that he or she is lying: for instance, declaring that "I am lying" or "everything I say is false". If the liar is indeed lying, then the liar is telling the truth, which means the liar is lying. In "this sentence is a lie" the paradox is strengthened in order to make it amenable to more rigorous logical analysis. It is still generally called the "liar paradox" although abstraction is made precisely from the liar himself. Trying to assign to this statement, the strengthened liar, a classical binary truth value leads to a contradiction.
If "this sentence is false" is true, then the sentence is false, but if the sentence states that it is false, and it is false, then it must be true, and so on.

What the bible shows is the nature of the Anti Christ in that He will lie cheat and whatever it takes to win favor and discredit the processess of salvation. to invalidate it to break the will of the people to seek salvation so no more get saved. A liar's paradox make the statement that everything I say is a lie. if that were the truth then you would have a liar's paradox.

Neither party neither situation is offering a lie. The original OP's situation Tib's aliens never heard of Jesus, which again is what I believe our jobs would be after we spend 1000 years with God learning. kinda of a go out into all of the universe and seek and save the lost.

Situation 2 my was an example of how the anti christ could slip under our radar simply because we over compartmentalize by placing religion with mysticism  by identifying god ONLY in the land of magic rather than in the known/knowable universe. a simple label could keep all of you terrible smart people from see the events of revelation unfold as described. just because when you hear the word antichrist you think of a devil, or some other mystical being, rather than an ill intentioned alien or just an oblivious one.

Again lying is not the key to the alien's message here. it is your inability to identify and categorize God correctly is the issue.

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(May 29, 2018 at 11:13 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 29, 2018 at 11:02 am)Drich Wrote: but the alien in the op.. that's ok because the op said so?

Do you know what a hypothetical question is?

why can the answer also be derived from the same plane? Why does the answer held to a level of reasoning the question is not?

That's what makes you the hypocrite

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(May 29, 2018 at 11:06 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 29, 2018 at 11:02 am)Drich Wrote: but the alien in the op.. that's ok because the op said so?

two faced hypocrite

I don't know if there's such a thing as a perfect idiot, but if there is, you're certainly in the running.

idk did you see the last post I answered about a liar's paradox? that person was a little too eager to use a term with the word liar in it or she/it was not able to grasp it's full meaning.. I'd ay so long as that person draws breath I think I'm fairly safe from be a 'perfect' idiot..

There are no aliens, there is no proof for them, if there were and they have already been here they would have shown themselves in either of two ways and one would mean the end of humans. There are many reasons why no aliens have ever been here or exist in a form intelligent enough to get here.

GC

There are no gods, there is no proof for them, if there were and they have already been here they would have shown themselves in either of two ways and one would mean the end of humans. There are many reasons why no gods have ever been here or exist in a form intelligent enough to get here.

(May 30, 2018 at 8:23 am)Mathilda Wrote: There are no gods, there is no proof for them, if there were and they have already been here they would have shown themselves in either of two ways and one would mean the end of humans. There are many reasons why no gods have ever been here or exist in a form intelligent enough to get here.

Glob..

Arthur C Clarke was a brilliant futurist and writer, but he is probably most widely known for the third of his famous three laws, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Or in this case God.

Would an alien who could change the whether, speak through a brning bush cause the plagues seeming hold the sun in place be seen as God 2000 or better yet 6000 years ago? do you think they knew to look for magic or technology? or as Mr.Clark says the two become one in the same?

(Seriously have you not seen thor, star trek or stargate yet?) What about prometheus? the idea there is "god" or "engineers for you science types" What if the universe was created through means we can understand/technology rather than through methods our ancestors ascribed to mysticism? Does that make the existence of a creator any more plausible?

God or engineer= Alien as He is not from here, the bible tells us that. which makes him literally an alien. to which I ask why is tib's alien in the OP plausible and calls for NO scrutiny from you and God despite a realistic look through scientific classification as a alien is summarily dismissed?

To put it another way, are you just too stupid to grasp the idea that some advanced being created/terraformed this planet and introduced life on it, then nurses it along so as to grow/produce a tangible product to later sift/harvest (as the bible literally describes)

Watch prometheus and aliens covenant some of you sciency types are starting to get that God does not have to be a magical grand pa who grants wishes and can only do things supernaturally.

Time to grow up people.