(May 29, 2018 at 11:05 pm)ignoramus Wrote: We don't make unsubstantiated claims.

YES YOU DO.

Here below just a tiny list of your claims.

1) The consciousness is a product of the brain.
2) When the body dies also the consciousness die.
3) Nobody created the universe.
4) Nobody run the universe because entropy do the job.
5) NDEs are just hallucinations.

Quote:We don't knock on your door to pester you.
We don't threaten anyone for any reason.
We're definitely not after your money.

Ok.

Quote:We all pay business taxes.

I guess you are like everybody else in that sense which is.....some honest and some not honest.

Quote:We don't make promises we can't keep.

Unsubstantiated claims as above have something in common with promises that you can not keep.

Quote:We try to make sense of the world around us before we can hypothesize about the one beyond our space/time.

No, definitively you do not.

If you would you would understand that what exist is not only made of matter.  

Quote:We are happy to change our mind on practically everything as science makes new discoveries.

BS.
If you really mean that then why you do not believe a neurosurgeon such as Eben Alexander when after his NDE become a strong theist?

Quote:We only eat dead babies!
We don't wear silly hats.

Worthless trifle.

Quote:We have no mantra.

Yes, you do...........THERE IS NO GOD........THERE IS NO GOD.........THERE IS NO GOD.........

Quote:What's not to love!

Gee, are you becoming a philosopher now?  

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(May 29, 2018 at 11:17 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It doesn't accept what is the most worthy of loving and knowing.

It denies the journey and path to ascension.

Agree with that.

Quote:It neglects the justice and makes it impossible by denying everlasting - reward and punishment.

There is not such a thing as an everlasting punishment.
The evil and corrupted priests created this terrible dogma in order to keep people under their mental control.
No wonder that atheists treat religion like garbage.

Not only that but because of all dogmas that the religions are based upon atheists treat all theists in the same way.
The theists that do not believe in hell and all other religious dogmas.  

(June 1, 2018 at 5:18 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(May 29, 2018 at 11:05 pm)ignoramus Wrote: We don't make unsubstantiated claims.

YES YOU DO.

Here below just a tiny list of your claims.

1) The consciousness is a product of the brain.
2) When the body dies also the consciousness die.
3) Nobody created the universe.
4) Nobody run the universe because entropy do the job.
5) NDEs are just hallucinations.

1.  Go beat your head against a rock, see whether or not you find that substantial.
2.  You might be able to simultaneously test this one while substantiating 1.
3.  You;re right..you;re right, my cousin Cletus did it.  Mystery solved.
4.  Cletus, again.
5.  Yet another postulate you could test in the course of figuring out number 1.

Now that we've handled that...you realize that none of those things have anything to do with atheism, right? That;s been a pattern in this thread. Peoples problems with atheism don;t seem to have anything to do with atheism. More accurately, they;re the claimants problems.

(June 1, 2018 at 11:01 am)Khemikal Wrote: Peoples problems with atheism don;t seem to have anything to do with atheism.  More accurately, they;re the claimants problems.

In a nutshell, it's tribal wankery.  Butt-hurt levels tend to go through the roof when someone doesn't go along with someone else's beliefs and opinions (and this is not confined to theism/atheism, either).

(June 1, 2018 at 11:01 am)Khemikal Wrote: Now that we've handled that...you realize that none of those things have anything to do with atheism, right?  That;s been a pattern in this thread.  Peoples problems with atheism don;t seem to have anything to do with atheism.  More accurately, they;re the claimants problems.

Usually, the problem isn't with atheism, per se, but with the conclusions of science. In other words, the problem is reality doesn't fit with their dogma.

(June 1, 2018 at 2:30 pm)polymath257 Wrote: Usually, the problem isn't with atheism, per se, but with the conclusions of science. In other words, the problem is reality doesn't fit with their dogma.

Always baffles me why people would choose a dogma over reality...  It's akin to being offered an all-expenses-paid trip to a toy store, and saying "No, I'll just ask Santa for what I want."

(June 1, 2018 at 3:12 pm)Astreja Wrote: Always baffles me why people would choose a dogma over reality...  It's akin to being offered an all-expenses-paid trip to a toy store, and saying "No, I'll just ask Santa for what I want."

The community and comfort factor in greatly, which, if we are going to be technical and honest, can be found outside of religion. It is also why I consider the religious belief to be a crux akin to drugs or alcohol; it's why recovering addicts are some of the more hardcore theists.

(June 1, 2018 at 3:16 pm)Kit Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 3:12 pm)Astreja Wrote: Always baffles me why people would choose a dogma over reality...  It's akin to being offered an all-expenses-paid trip to a toy store, and saying "No, I'll just ask Santa for what I want."

The community and comfort factor in greatly, which, if we are going to be technical and honest, can be found outside of religion.  It is also why I consider the religious belief to be a crux akin to drug addiction or alcoholism; it's why recovering addicts are some of the more hardcore theists.

Getting messed up on Jesus is legal.

(June 1, 2018 at 5:18 am)Little Rik Wrote:

Quote:It neglects the justice and makes it impossible by denying everlasting - reward and punishment.

There is not such a thing as an everlasting punishment.
The evil and corrupted priests created this terrible dogma in order to keep people under their mental control.
No wonder that atheists treat religion like garbage.

Not only that but because of all dogmas that the religions are based upon atheists treat all theists in the same way.
The theists that do not believe in hell and all other religious dogmas.  

I believe justice and God hand go hand, true belief in God, is belief in justice, he is justice.

To prove this is quite simple. Everything human experience is for their benefit. 

Evil is really misguided use of emotions and confusion with regard to the truth and being unbalanced and not putting things in their proper place.

For example, Anger against oppressors killing and not giving people their rights, is a good thing. However, anger for petty things for our own sake is not good.

Forbearance and compassion have their proper place.

So does wrath and vengeance.

As no praise is found in creation but it exists in perfect ultimate form and harmony in God, then it follows vengeance, although mercy and compassion must precede it, and favored over it, also has it's place.

And it has it's place to the extent God is most compassionate in the place of mercy and pardon and the most severest in punishment in the place of wrath and vengeance.

It's obvious vengeance can be a good thing it's proper use. Justice is sought by the friends of God from God and God wants people to love justice.

Of course, justice is always balanced off with that God tries to save us from it and act according to his compassion and mercy instead. However, if we refuse and die on that refusal, it make sense just like his reward is endless for the good people so then is his punishment for the evil people.

(May 29, 2018 at 11:11 pm)Joods Wrote: Theists be jealous because we don't live our lives looking forward to death so that we can have some sort of an afterlife. We live life in the now,  because we only have this one life. We're smart enough not to squander it away spending years believing in an imaginary friend.

Not the "jealous" claim again.

What stops me from disbelief and living like an atheists? it's not like I fear my community, I already chose to defy them, I could've choose atheism and just become atheist.

It's living without noticing that death is near no matter what is what scares me. Something is really strange about life. You notice it if you give it enough time. Then; belief becomes more of a candle to light up this dark life with. I feel sorry for the people who don't look forward to death, they are ignoring the elephant in the room.

<shrug> When I die the candle is snuffed. Some will mourn, some will rejoice. Life is what it is. Chasing after a gossamer of hope instead of living this life well is mad. I crawled out of that madness.