(June 1, 2018 at 7:48 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Because you cannot get something of this sophistication out of thin air.  It is even more special than I describe but I try to put it into words we all can understand.

You can get it from organic chemistry, though.

(June 2, 2018 at 8:12 am)CDF47 Wrote: Because you cannot get something of this sophistication out of thin air.  It is even more special than I describe but I try to put it into words we all can understand.

Yet, that is precisely what man has done.  He has imaginatively created a god and claimed its sophistication out of thin air.

(June 1, 2018 at 8:09 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Wrong.  The universe and everything in it looks designed because it is designed.  We infer design all the time.  Just here it is really easy to infer design, unless one cannot see.

It's an error to infer Zeus from lightning when you know what really causes lighting. We have a natural explanation for the origin of DNA. It's called RNA world. And has been pointed out before, RNA is highly complex and can form spontaneously in a solution with the right temperature and compounds present. And there's a logical path to self-replicating RNA, and from that to an evolutionary path guided by natural selection to DNA.

It's the 21st century and your idea of God is an inflated Zeus.

(June 2, 2018 at 6:46 am)Succubus Wrote: Well he does have form.

Oh this one's funny

https://www.christforums.org/topic/6052-...ms/?page=3

Quote:Still posting on the atheist forum. After being banned from the Thinking Atheist website for no good reason, I now visit atheistforums.org. It definitely gets tiresome arguing with non-believers. There is an army of them and they are a rude and disrespectful bunch. Maybe someone will get the message there and be saved. I try to stick to Intelligent Design arguments but they just use straw man, ridicule, and other manipulative debating tactics.

I hope you all feel ashamed of yourself for your conduct when all CDF47 is doing it trying to preach to us for our own sakes!

(June 1, 2018 at 8:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Atheism is the weak house of cards which started having foundation problems at the discovery of the Big Bang theory which is widely accepted by most scientists.

Atheism is not believing any deities are actually real. Astrophysics and cosmology are irrelevant to the position unless a deity can be demonstrated to be involved. I accept the theory of the initial cosmic expansion as well, and it has nothing to do with my atheism, which is based on a policy of trying not to have beliefs that can't be rationally justified, especially about important matters. And the number of atheists has only grown as science has been able to discern more about the natural origins of our cosmos.

(June 2, 2018 at 8:22 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 6:46 am)Succubus Wrote: Well he does have form.

Oh this one's funny

https://www.christforums.org/topic/6052-...ms/?page=3

Quote:Still posting on the atheist forum.  After being banned from the Thinking Atheist website for no good reason, I now visit atheistforums.org.  It definitely gets tiresome arguing with non-believers.  There is an army of them and they are a rude and disrespectful bunch.  Maybe someone will get the message there and be saved.  I try to stick to Intelligent Design arguments but they just use straw man, ridicule, and other manipulative debating tactics.

I hope you all feel ashamed of yourself for your conduct when all CDF47 is doing it trying to preach to us for our own sakes!

Typical theistic butt-hurtiness.

(June 1, 2018 at 9:10 pm)CDF47 Wrote: But, why can't you address the information in DNA?

We can and have, you're just willfully deaf.

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(June 1, 2018 at 9:58 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Keep turning a blind eye to the truth and serving the atheist agenda.

Your argument is with science, not atheism. Hundreds of millions of theists have no problem reconciling their faith with a natural origin for DNA. It's not the atheists you don't believe, it's the scientists working at the forefront of understanding DNA and its origins. Take it up with Francis Collins, the Christian lead for the Human Genome Project who accepts a natural origin for DNA.

(June 2, 2018 at 4:21 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 3:59 am)Joods Wrote: Lolz.  Still peddling that bullshit story,  I see.

At this point,  I just feel sorry for you.

It's spiritual truth.

It's not. But you keep telling that story to yourself. I have some oceanfront property in Arizona I'd like to sell to you.

(June 1, 2018 at 11:33 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I don't understand how you can just deny scientific facts and still try to debate.

You can't even understand what a scientific fact is, that's one of your many, many problems.

(June 2, 2018 at 8:23 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 8:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Atheism is the weak house of cards which started having foundation problems at the discovery of the Big Bang theory which is widely accepted by most scientists.

Atheism is not believing any deities are actually real. Astrophysics and cosmology are irrelevant to the position unless a deity can be demonstrated to be involved. I accept the theory of the initial cosmic expansion as well, and it has nothing to do with my atheism, which is based on a policy of trying not to have beliefs that can't be rationally justified, especially about important matters. And the number of atheists has only grown as science has been able to discern more about the natural origins of our cosmos.

Indeed I have never been a theist because I find the idea of god to be laughably silly. The science agrees with me, but it is the stupidity of theism which made me an atheist.