(June 2, 2018 at 9:11 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 9:08 am)Mathilda Wrote: Guys, you're just not doing what is expected of you. This thread is a disaster. It should only have continued for one page with everyone agreeing. Much like this thread on another forum:

DNA Proves Existence of a Designer on christforums.org

Just read and follow what I say on page one and agree and this thread can end now.

You don't have to be a dick. It's a choice.

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(June 2, 2018 at 9:54 am)Succubus Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 8:22 am)Mathilda Wrote: Oh this one's funny

https://www.christforums.org/topic/6052-...ms/?page=3


I hope you all feel ashamed of yourself for your conduct when all CDF47 is doing it trying to preach to us for our own sakes!

He even trolls his own crowd.

Quote:I guess after trying so much on those forums there is only so much you can say. I am thinking about walking away from them. It is an abusive environment for Christians as well but I think that is on purpose because some may not want the Word of God spread there. There are probably satanists in those atheist forums.

Same thread.

But that's not gossiping, oh no!, never

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(June 2, 2018 at 5:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 12:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: To believe in satan you have to believe in god as it is all in the same mythology so only theists can be true Satanists.

There could be some here. You never know.  An obvious agenda is being served it appears.

But you're not a troll, oh no, never!

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(June 2, 2018 at 6:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: You may have been helpful since lurkers get to see the truth DNA, molecular machines, and the universe; some which may have never seen this before.

If you're looking for people who didn't pay attention in HS science, try a Christian or Muslim forum.

(June 3, 2018 at 7:47 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I don't think that's an entirely fair characterization.  I don't think he's necessarily the sharpest tool in the shed, but to assign the blame as you have done is to ignore the natural seductiveness and appeal of the design hypothesis given certain assumptions about the world, and once ensnared in its web, to be unable to dispel its glamour.  Heck, even I find the design hypothesis appealing and cogent, even in spite of having rather in depth knowledge of some of its failings.

It's easy to think that design is the simplest explanation because it comes to us so naturally. It's far easier for us to design something than it is to mentally envisage a population of solutions, evaluate each one, rank them all in order of success and breed the fittest to create a new population and to then repeat the whole process several hundred or thousand times.

But given the questions of how does the brain design something and how does a species evolve, the latter is a lot simpler to explain and easier to simulate on a computer. Indeed, we still have very little idea about the former.

Yet to a religionist brought up to think that the world works by magic, they don't even attempt to consider the process of how something is designed or evolved so go with what they can do more easily themselves. Look at Drich's thread about the brain being a receiver of consciousness and memories. Because he doesn't even attempt at trying to understand what consciousness and memory could be, it doesn't occur to him that even if these functions were offloaded somewhere else, it doesn't tell us anything about how they could work. The religionist mindset is to pick the easiest option and to avoid explaining how things could work by saying that they are supernatural and therefore cannot be explained.

(June 3, 2018 at 9:40 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(June 3, 2018 at 7:47 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I don't think that's an entirely fair characterization.  I don't think he's necessarily the sharpest tool in the shed, but to assign the blame as you have done is to ignore the natural seductiveness and appeal of the design hypothesis given certain assumptions about the world, and once ensnared in its web, to be unable to dispel its glamour.  Heck, even I find the design hypothesis appealing and cogent, even in spite of having rather in depth knowledge of some of its failings.

It's easy to think that design is the simplest explanation because it comes to us so naturally. It's far easier for us to design something than it is to mentally envisage a population of solutions, evaluate each one, rank them all in order of success and breed the fittest to create a new population and to then repeat the whole process several hundred or thousand times.

But given the questions of how does the brain design something and how does a species evolve, the latter is a lot simpler to explain and easier to simulate on a computer. Indeed, we still have very little idea about the former.

Yet to a religionist brought up to think that the world works by magic, they don't even attempt to consider the process of how something is designed or evolved so go with what they can do more easily themselves. Look at Drich's thread about the brain being a receiver of consciousness and memories. Because he doesn't even attempt at trying to understand what consciousness and memory could be, it doesn't occur to him that even if these functions were offloaded somewhere else, it doesn't tell us anything about how they could work. The religionist mindset is to pick the easiest option and to avoid explaining how things could work by saying that they are supernatural and therefore cannot be explained.

It’s easy to think the reason for reality is “dad told me that’s how it is”.

(June 2, 2018 at 6:39 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 5:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Fine-tuned as it is with a start in a Big Bang.

Are you saying that, if the Universe hadn't been designed, it would be just as you see it?

I am saying a designed universe would be fine-tuned like the one we find ourselves in.

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(June 2, 2018 at 7:32 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 6:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: You may have been helpful since lurkers get to see the truth DNA, molecular machines, and the universe; some which may have never seen this before.

Nah, like I said before, all you're doing is giving Christianity a black eye.

How so?

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(June 2, 2018 at 9:46 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 9:43 pm)Kit Wrote: The word "troll" gets used a great deal.

I don't think he's "intentionally" trolling.

He's just being his usual theistic self.  Unfortunately.

My personal opinion is that this person is a troll.  He responds, yes.  But he’s not truly engaging in the topic he says he wants to “discuss”.  If he’s sincere, I’ll eat my shoes.

Start chewing.  I am not trolling anyone.

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(June 2, 2018 at 10:09 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 5:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Source?

The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050

I find it kind of crazy that they project Christianity stable and Islam on such an increased rise.  Time will tell.

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(June 3, 2018 at 3:03 am)Khemikal Wrote: It doesn;t have to lead to any god or religion.  IDers are constantly telling us that it;s not just their religion repackaged.  Well, okay, then stripping all of the blatantly religious assertions...it could only tell us that some sort of iterative process that produces things associated with intelligence, and point of fact produces intelligence itself..is at play.

Gee...I wonder what that might be?  

ID is science with theological implications.

(June 3, 2018 at 11:57 am)CDF47 Wrote: ID is science with theological implications.

It took you nine hours to think that one up?
You're slacking. 3/10 for dedication.

See me later.

(June 3, 2018 at 11:57 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 6:39 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Are you saying that, if the Universe hadn't been designed, it would be just as you see it?

I am saying a designed universe would be fine-tuned like the one we find ourselves in.

But that's not the question, is it?

(June 3, 2018 at 5:27 am)Mathilda Wrote: One of the reasons I enjoy posting on atheist discussion forums is that it forces me to think of subjects in ways I probably wouldn't otherwise.

This can serve as a source of inspiration for my research. Because I questioned the point of philosophy I was won over and now plan on writing a philosophy paper. And

I'm also currently thinking about how I can build a self organised machinery that builds itself up from a collection of random parts without design.

I am currently extending a previous experiment to test a hypothesis about how it can be done.

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No apologies for the outrageous liberties taken.

I'm off to see Jeremy Thorpe get a good reaming on the BBC.

(June 3, 2018 at 3:28 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(June 3, 2018 at 11:57 am)CDF47 Wrote: I am saying a designed universe would be fine-tuned like the one we find ourselves in.

But that's not the question, is it?  

That was the question.

Guys, I programmed the bot. It's an AI to answer Atheists.

Keep answering it, it will help me observe and adapt it.

(June 3, 2018 at 4:02 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(June 3, 2018 at 5:27 am)Mathilda Wrote: One of the reasons I enjoy posting on atheist discussion forums is that it forces me to think of subjects in ways I probably wouldn't otherwise.

This can serve as a source of inspiration for my research. Because I questioned the point of philosophy I was won over and now plan on writing a philosophy paper. And

I'm also currently thinking about how I can build a self organised machinery that builds itself up from a collection of random parts without design.

I am currently extending a previous experiment to test a hypothesis about how it can be done.

Try These: https://www.literotica.com/stories/

You're trying to get pregnant?  Don't do this![/url]

Try These: [url=https://www.literotica.com/stories/]https://www.literotica.com/stories/

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