(June 4, 2018 at 5:35 am)possibletarian Wrote:

(June 4, 2018 at 4:48 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Oh that's the fallen world Blah blah blah . Or since the fall the universe is designed for death Blah blah blah 

And yes he has in fact argued that .

It wasn't very well designed before the fall either, long before Adam and Eve  were in the picture, whole species were being wiped out due to a combination of volcanic eruptions and meteor strikes. Though i do suspect water did fit properly in puddles throughout this process.

Given what we know about the formation of planets I think it's silly to believe they were intelligently created. And we cannot even imagine a time when the rest of the universe was less than hostile to human life.

Ohg that's were he will ploy the mysterious ways or personnel credulity or point to one minor good thing as a counter to a massive bad thing or Say" bad design does not mean no design " or try and pull a turn around on the critic or lastly argue "you can't build a  universe so you don't get to judge what's well designed " or some other such nonsense .

Wow... He went all night without a single comment here. Impressive.

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8 hours, anyway.

(June 4, 2018 at 6:15 am)Joods Wrote: Wow... He went all night without a single comment here. Impressive.

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8 hours, anyway.

The guy is struggling with the fact that his supposed killer argument simply isn't. It isn't killer and does not rise to the level of an actual argument.

Given that, he has to roll back and reformulate his borked argument, or seek further instruction from his pastor who tells him what to think.

On foot of that, we can expect three possibles.

1. Return and stamp his feet on his previous bullshit.

2. A hard right with a new argument provided by his pastor which he does not understand.

3. Nothing.

At this point even christian sites ban the guy, so what are we to make of that?

That we are long overdue on doing the same.

(June 4, 2018 at 7:01 am)Joods Wrote: That we are long overdue on doing the same.

I don't believe in banning people simply because they are stupid. Rather, I think it instructive to anyone who rocks up here randomly to see exactly how bovine religion really is.

406 pages in. This guy isn't stupid. He's a fucking troll who trolls his own people. The majority of his 1000+ posts have been here and not many of those posts have actually been meaningful or advanced conversation any. This thread is nothing but a stagnant, stanky, nasty mess of "I'm rubber you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!" diatribe. Time to end it already.

For example, CDF47's position is that allah and the quran must be true. He got a bit of a snit on when the only support he got here were the resident muslims. That's right, Muslims. To CDF47, this is deeply offensive. Now he must perforce insult those muslims as jesus killers. Quite the dilemma for him.

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(June 4, 2018 at 7:12 am)Joods Wrote: 406 pages in.  This guy isn't stupid.

I don't think he is stupid. He simply thinks he is clever.

(June 4, 2018 at 7:12 am)Joods Wrote: He's a fucking troll who trolls his own people.

Sure, but being owned online is a badge of honor to a troll. Self presenting as an idiot online is what trolls do. It never seems to occur to them that they are worldwide regarded as morons.

(June 4, 2018 at 7:12 am)Joods Wrote: The majority of his 1000+ posts have been here and not many of those posts have actually been meaningful or advanced conversation any.

Yup.

(June 4, 2018 at 7:12 am)Joods Wrote: This thread is nothing but a stagnant, stanky, nasty mess of "I'm rubber you're glue,  whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!" diatribe. Time to end it already.

Nope. If CDF47, or anyone, is content to self present as a drooling moron, who am I to object?

(June 4, 2018 at 7:07 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(June 4, 2018 at 7:01 am)Joods Wrote: That we are long overdue on doing the same.

I don't believe in banning people simply because they are stupid. Rather, I think it instructive to anyone who rocks up here randomly to see exactly how bovine religion really is.

I've already pointed some students to this thread as an example of what dogma can do to a persons mind, it really is the perfect example.

(June 3, 2018 at 11:57 am)CDF47 Wrote: I find it kind of crazy that they project Christianity stable and Islam on such an increased rise.  Time will tell.

You seem to always find science that doesn't agree with your preconceptions crazy. Time has been telling. The number of followers of Islam is growing faster than the number of followers of Christianity. Don't worry, they'll pick your arguments ad populum up when they no longer serve Christians.

And if you're alarmed and think the Muslims are coming, don't worry, they don't become a majority in North America. That will likely go to 'spiritual but not religious'.

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(June 4, 2018 at 3:17 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(June 4, 2018 at 1:57 am)pocaracas Wrote: No it wasn't.
The question was: what would a non-designed universe be like?

I imagine things just wouldn't go together very well.  Puddles would no longer fit the holes they sit in.  The conditions inhospitable to life in all but a splinter of a splinter of a splinter of 1% of the known universe now would extend even to the few small spaces where life currently finds a foothold.  Gravity would fail or only work intermittently.  Gloves would come poorly paired.  The weak force would overwhelm the strong force.  It would just be a shit mess.  Fortunately God has the dials set just right.  We sure are lucky, huh?

What are the odds that the creator of the universe would be finely-tuned to create a universe perfect for us?

(June 4, 2018 at 7:17 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: For example, CDF47's position is that allah and the quran must be true. He got a bit of a snit on when the only support he got here were the resident muslims. That's right, Muslims. To CDF47, this is deeply offensive. Now he must perforce insult those muslims as jesus killers. Quite the dilemma for him.

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(June 4, 2018 at 7:12 am)Joods Wrote: 406 pages in.  This guy isn't stupid.

I don't think he is stupid. He simply thinks he is clever.

(June 4, 2018 at 7:12 am)Joods Wrote: He's a fucking troll who trolls his own people.

Sure, but being owned online is a badge of honor to a troll. Self presenting as an idiot online is what trolls do. It never seems to occur to them that they are worldwide regarded as morons.

(June 4, 2018 at 7:12 am)Joods Wrote: The majority of his 1000+ posts have been here and not many of those posts have actually been meaningful or advanced conversation any.

Yup.

(June 4, 2018 at 7:12 am)Joods Wrote: This thread is nothing but a stagnant, stanky, nasty mess of "I'm rubber you're glue,  whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you!" diatribe. Time to end it already.

Nope. If CDF47, or anyone, is content to self present as a drooling moron, who am I to object?

How can you think him both clever and a drooling moron? That makes about as much sense as his thoughts on ID and DNA.