(June 16, 2018 at 6:55 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The obvious solution is for the US to invade the shit hole countries, kill all of their leaders, and run the countries so that the people will stay in them and not come here.  Which country should we start with, Mexico, Honduras,
Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua?

That is the dumbest idea ever

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(June 16, 2018 at 6:49 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 16, 2018 at 9:13 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Are your neighbors here illegally?

I don't give a fuck. In my 51 years I have run into far more white citizens born here in far more legal trouble than you know. I'd take an undocumented peaceful family over lots of assholes born here. I have Hispanics living on both sides of me, have for over 10 years. NO I am NOT going to ask their status or rat them out. AND FUCK YOU for asking.

The west already had "PAPERS, LET ME SEE YOUR PAPERS" and that asshole committed suicide in a bunker in Berlin in 1945.

If you want to talk about invasions, just ask blacks and Native Americans. My Hispanic neighbors are only guilty of wanting what every human wants, a better life. I am NOT about to send them back to places where famine or crime would have them killed. Their nationality does not change that they ARE MY FELLOW HUMAN BEING.

Indeed dropping out of your mother in the wrong spot should not be a condemnation

Nobody would or should argue that a violent crime should not be investigated or charged or put on trial. But when assholes bring up nationality that fucking pisses me off. There is not one nation on the planet that does not have prisons. What the sane and those with empathy for their fellow human are arguing is NOT to bring up origin. If someone gets violent YES, deport them. But it is insane and inhuman to treat someone who stole a loaf of bread with the good intent of feeding their family the same as a serial killer.

Hispanics now under President Shithole, are facing the same discrimination that the Irish, Italians and Chinese migrants faced in our history.

A human is a human is a human, and my only judgment for my fellow human is simple, regardless of where they come from. Until you, the individual, give me something to worry about, I wont. 

Trump plays upon the worst fears in our species. Tribalism. That plays well for the gullible and fearful, but it does not work on the sane.

Maybe the US should simply grant citizenship to everyone in the world. Will that be enough to make everyone happy?

(June 16, 2018 at 6:55 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The obvious solution is for the US to invade the shit hole countries, kill all of their leaders, and run the countries so that the people will stay in them and not come here.  Which country should we start with, Mexico, Honduras,
Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua?

That's already playing out in the Middle East.

(June 16, 2018 at 7:45 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Maybe the US should simply grant citizenship to everyone in the world.  Will that be enough to make everyone happy?

If you stupidly think I am against all deportation you are a fucking moron!

If you can send someone back to a comparable condition where they are not going to suffer oppression or famine or crime, sure. But it takes all western allies to delegate that, not just America. What I will NOT default to is breaking up families or sending humans back to places where they will die.

It is fucking easy for someone who has it better to judge those who don''t. 

DO NOT HAND ME ANY FUCKING BULLSHIT, that if you had a family to feed and where you were was bad you would not try to migrate to where conditions are better.

(June 16, 2018 at 6:55 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The obvious solution is for the US to invade the shit hole countries, kill all of their leaders, and run the countries so that the people will stay in them and not come here.  Which country should we start with, Mexico, Honduras,
Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua?

WE better start with our shithead leader first.

Quote:Maybe the US should simply grant citizenship to everyone in the world. Will that be enough to make everyone happy?

You once again show you don't get it

(June 16, 2018 at 8:09 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(June 16, 2018 at 6:55 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The obvious solution is for the US to invade the shit hole countries, kill all of their leaders, and run the countries so that the people will stay in them and not come here.  Which country should we start with, Mexico, Honduras,
Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua?

That's already playing out in the Middle East.

It'spart of the Ann Coulter solution.

(June 16, 2018 at 5:39 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:Can't blame Trump for that self inflicted wound.

Possibly not, but I can certainly blame him for not stopping this cruel, inhuman (not just 'inhumane'...'inhuman'), and psychologically damaging practice of separating children from parents.  He could, I'm given to understand, stop it instantly. Since he has opted not to do so, I blame him for all the harm caused by this practice, including the Honduran man who committed suicide after his three year old son was forcibly taken from him.

Boru

It's not good, but what's the practical answer?  

A policy of detaining people trying to enter the country illegally is not a controversial idea, I don't think, is it?  So what do you do with the kids when the parents are detained?  The law says you can't stick the kids in a detainment facility with the adults, but you can't just let the kids run off into the desert.  

They can 1000% make sure the facilities are well-staffed and run as humanely as possible.  It sounds like some are, and some aren't.  That is something the government should do.  They can change the law, so families can be detained together.  I guess that's better?  Kids in a cell with dad, instead of in a facility with the other kids?  I guess that depends again on the quality of the other facility.

Still not getting it