(June 22, 2018 at 3:09 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Pretty sure it was his dad that was targeted..on the potentially shaky theory that his dad might give a shit.

Oh, yeah. The kid wasn't a target at all. It was just his innocence Fonda suggested be thrown away to make a fucking point. What kind of dumbass people can't make an actual point without suggesting a kid get raped?
Fuck this stupid thread. The kind of people who defend this shit are the kind of people that rob the left of any kind of moral high ground. This is why Independents and centrists exist. The left is fucking just as crazy as the right. Y'all are fucking bananas.

(June 22, 2018 at 3:12 pm)Tiberius Wrote: There is a huge difference between a hypothetical to make a point, and what Fonda said.

Saying something like "how would Trump feel if Barron was ripped from his mother's arms and thrown in a cage?" is a hypothetical to make a comparison with a real situation and try and enact some empathy from Trump and his followers.

What Fonda said was a borderline threat against the son of the President. In fact I'd call it an actual threat but with no real seriousness behind it.

I'm flabbergasted that it's anything but condemned in its entirety.

(June 22, 2018 at 3:13 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(June 22, 2018 at 3:09 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Pretty sure it was his dad that was targeted..on the potentially shaky theory that his dad might give a shit.

Oh, yeah. The kid wasn't a target at all. It was just his innocence Fonda suggested be thrown away to make a fucking point. What kind of dumbass people can't make an actual point without suggesting a kid get raped?
Fuck this stupid thread. The kind of people who defend this shit are the kind of people that rob the left of any kind of moral high ground. This is why Independents and centrists exist. The left is fucking just as crazy as the right. Y'all are fucking bananas.

QFT.

(June 22, 2018 at 3:13 pm)Shell B Wrote: Oh, yeah. The kid wasn't a target at all. It was just his innocence Fonda suggested be thrown away to make a fucking point. What kind of dumbass people can't make an actual point without suggesting a kid get raped?

One who;s trying to draw an accurate comparison to other peoples children being kidnapped and raped?  Or expressing their desperate frustration in the face of that reality?  

Quote:Fuck this stupid thread. The kind of people who defend this shit are the kind of people that rob the left of any kind of moral high ground. This is why Independents and centrists exist. The left is fucking just as crazy as the right. Y'all are fucking bananas.

I;m not part of that part of the lefts y'all..but again I note the division in the left that;s been weaponized over the issue of a moral highground.

(June 22, 2018 at 3:29 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(June 22, 2018 at 3:13 pm)Shell B Wrote: Oh, yeah. The kid wasn't a target at all. It was just his innocence Fonda suggested be thrown away to make a fucking point. What kind of dumbass people can't make an actual point without suggesting a kid get raped?

One who;s trying to draw an accurate comparison to other peoples children being kidnapped and raped?  Or expressing their desperate frustration in the face of that reality?  

Saying a kid should be locked in a cage with a pedophile isn't drawing a comparison. He said "should," dude. It's possible, and I know this because I'm doing it, to deplore the practice of separating kids from their family and still not suggest anyone's child, even the most loathsome dude, should be raped. If anyone can't manage the same, they've found themselves on the wrong side of being correct.

Something always strikes me as funny with these situations. The person who did the bad thing will apologize, acknowledging that it was a terrible thing to say, while other people continue to pound the ground, claiming it was a perfectly legitimate or forgivable thing to say because the poor Tweeter is just oh-so-frustrated and those big boy feelings are so hard to control. Baloney.

(June 22, 2018 at 3:10 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(June 21, 2018 at 11:57 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Poor snowflake conservitards thought that they were the only ones who;d bred stormtrooopers.  They were wrong.  That;s always the trouble with imagining that the other guy is a sniveling whining pansy.  Some of us are just biding our time..fitting in.  I'm not interested in moral highground.  Any piece of it I hold is by default and not through any work of mine.  I wait to count coup.  No shits are going to be given by me when these assholes reach the end of their 15 minutes.

Are you suggesting that keyboard warriors who tweet disgusting things about children are "stormtroopers?" In this case, the other guy is a sniveling, whining pansy. Are you stormtroopers about to bust out and fill up the interwebs with mean comments about Trump's family. O-ho. Lookout world!

Hah, I missed this one.  I wouldn;t put him in the category of people equally willing as the rights fanatac, no.  Nor do I identify with people who tweet mean things at the pres. I don;t even tweet.  I do note, however... that we are approaching the sort of cliff where partisanship in the old sense of the word may become useful...and the suspicion that the people may one day need to do some physical thing about a tyrannical government is approaching a reality.  The right operates on a theory that..ultimately, they can do whatever they want because the left is demoralized, and even paralized into submissive inactivity.  That they could reshape the world in their image because the other guys are limp wristed pussies.  

I think people like pete say the sorts of things he says before we go over that cliff, but probably wouldn;t even begin to enact out the contents of his tweet.  Whereas there is at least some portion of the left that probably wouldn;t do anything remotely like the contents of that tweet but would stand up and take physical action against the sort of american gestapo that caused him to blurt out that shit in the first place.

@ The above. Yeah..I often say similar things when one of my kids smacks the other in the face. "Hey, we should smack you in the face, see how you like it. " I..ofc, don;t smack them in the face..no more so than pete set up to kidnap the presidents kid. He said an ugly thing, and he meant to say an ugly thing, and it was in response to the ugly thing he said which is actually occurring.

It doesn't matter. Everyone knows what he was responding to. It doesn't change the ugly thing he said enough to even warrant mentioning it. It doesn't matter why he said it. We don't ever, in any kind of seriousness (and maybe even in a joke, though jokes get more leeway for me), say a kid should be raped. If you can't control yourself enough to not say that in public, you're not one of the good guys.

(June 22, 2018 at 9:29 am)*Deidre* Wrote:

(June 22, 2018 at 9:25 am)Brian37 Wrote: Sane people hate Trump, sane people do the right thing and stand up to bullies, they don't support bullies. President Shithole was raised by a bully and grew up to be a bully. He has made his life out of treating others like shit and ripping them off and conning people. Nobody sane should put  up with a western leader using the political tactics he is using. TRUMP is responsible for the climate and tone HE set. To ignore this is to be tone deaf and not only that, dangerous.

He has vilified everyone and anyone who challenges him. YES I hate bullies, no do not expect me to  be polite to a fucking bully.

I hear ya but when does free speech cross over into hate speech? And if we slump to Trump’s level, what can be gained? I’m thinking that’s where people are coming from.

One can loathe Trump but also loathe the comment that Peter Fonda made. That is possible.

Yes one can, but again, what is pissing me off isn't anyone finding his comment distasteful, but that it is still nothing compared to the REPEATED pattern of abusive language by Trump and not just to one person, but multiple groups and his selling of fear is getting innocent people hurt. 

Baron will be fine and has a fleet of secret service protecting him. Trump's victims are hurt far worse because he is in a position of political power and his victims are not just the adults of migrants, but their kids as well and his victims do not have billions to higher lawyers. He vilifies my neighbors and my neighbors have kids. My neighbors have been nothing but nice to me.

(June 22, 2018 at 3:52 pm)Shell B Wrote: It doesn't matter. Everyone knows what he was responding to. It doesn't change the ugly thing he said enough to even warrant mentioning it. It doesn't matter why he said it. We don't ever, in any kind of seriousness (and maybe even in a joke, though jokes get more leeway for me), say a kid should be raped. If you can't control yourself enough to not say that in public, you're not one of the good guys.

The left might not need good guys, right now..how has that been going? This is what I'm trying to stress.  It might actually need shitty people willing to do and say shitty things when that serves the cause of either truth or the country.  

Thats how the left found itself living in an alt-right hellscape to begin with.  The right found enough people with the will-to-do, the will-to-say. Fair or not, good or not...it;s effective.  The lefts constant obsession with high ground might mean they;ve won some ridiculous culture war..but they did so at the expense of losing -everything- else.

(June 22, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 22, 2018 at 9:29 am)*Deidre* Wrote: I hear ya but when does free speech cross over into hate speech? And if we slump to Trump’s level, what can be gained? I’m thinking that’s where people are coming from.

One can loathe Trump but also loathe the comment that Peter Fonda made. That is possible.

Yes one can, but again, what is pissing me off isn't anyone finding his comment distasteful, but that it is still nothing compared to the REPEATED pattern of abusive language by Trump and not just to one person, but multiple groups and his selling of fear is getting innocent people hurt. 

Baron will be fine and has a fleet of secret service protecting him. Trump's victims are hurt far worse because he is in a position of political power and his victims are not just the adults of migrants, but their kids as well and his victims do not have billions to higher lawyers. He vilifies my neighbors and my neighbors have kids. My neighbors have been nothing but nice to me.

Well i don't agree 

I will again point out Trump himself has called for children to harmed . 

Quote:“The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families,” Trump said during an appearance on Fox News' “Fox and Friends” . “They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families.”

And once again i will point out I'M NOT DEFENDING THE TWEETS !!!