During 2016 I was pissed off that there were far too many "All or nothing" asshole supporters in BOTH Bernie and Hillary camps. It wasn't just social issues, but also the Supreme Court. Now Justice Kennedy has announced his retirement. This is why every election matters, and every vote counts. If you are a Bernie or Hillary supporter and rightfully still pissed that the GOP stole Obama's nominee, please understand, whomever Trump nominates is going to be even more far right than Kennedy. 

Out of the three branches, the Supreme Court has far more long term influence than all the three branches because they are lifetime appointees. 

Liberals cannot afford the divisions that clearly lost us the last election. 

Benjamin Franklin, "We must indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

^^^^^^^ Now, that is not advocating the same blind loyalty Trump wants. Despite all the desperate attempts for the GOP to claim a patent on the founders, most, if not all would DESPISE the current GOP.

So Bernie supporters, Hillary supporters, pick your battles, do not give 45 8 years and especially not more SCOTUS on the Supreme Court.

What are the corporate democrats doing to pull in progressives and independents? That's what they need to  win. If they don't, they should expect to continue losing. Or be replaced.

(June 27, 2018 at 2:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: During 2016 I was pissed off that there were far too many "All or nothing" asshole supporters in BOTH Bernie and Hillary camps. It wasn't just social issues, but also the Supreme Court. Now Justice Kennedy has announced his retirement. This is why every election matters, and every vote counts. If you are a Bernie or Hillary supporter and rightfully still pissed that the GOP stole Obama's nominee, please understand, whomever Trump nominates is going to be even more far right than Kennedy. 

Out of the three branches, the Supreme Court has far more long term influence than all the three branches because they are lifetime appointees. 

Liberals cannot afford the divisions that clearly lost us the last election. 

Benjamin Franklin, "We must indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

^^^^^^^ Now, that is not advocating the same blind loyalty Trump wants. Despite all the desperate attempts for the GOP to claim a patent on the founders, most, if not all would DESPISE the current GOP.

So Bernie supporters, Hillary supporters, pick your battles, do not give 45 8 years and especially not more SCOTUS on the Supreme Court.

If Trump can end the Catholic and Jewish stranglehold on the SCOTUS it will be worth it.  They've been there too long.  It's time for diversity.

(June 27, 2018 at 4:07 pm)Chad32 Wrote: What are the corporate democrats doing to pull in progressives and independents? That's what they need to  win. If they don't, they should expect to continue losing. Or be replaced.

I hate this argument. 

It is absolutely TRUE that our politicians have been pulled to the economic right. THAT does not mean as voters we want that. Our politicians are held hostage by our own apathy. Our democratic politicians would not have to compete with republicans on their narrative is our voters would show up in every election.

If we as democrats want to clobber the GOP we have to play hardball. We have to take part. We can protect the private sector and get back to the policies of post WW2 that gave workers rights, that gave America stability. But we cannot do that if we allow the GOP to keep painting us as communists and anti patriotic. 

Now is the time to get mean, get dirty and get involved.

Trump is an authoritarian, he has more in common with his tone with despots and little in common with the founders.

(June 27, 2018 at 4:23 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 2:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: During 2016 I was pissed off that there were far too many "All or nothing" asshole supporters in BOTH Bernie and Hillary camps. It wasn't just social issues, but also the Supreme Court. Now Justice Kennedy has announced his retirement. This is why every election matters, and every vote counts. If you are a Bernie or Hillary supporter and rightfully still pissed that the GOP stole Obama's nominee, please understand, whomever Trump nominates is going to be even more far right than Kennedy. 

Out of the three branches, the Supreme Court has far more long term influence than all the three branches because they are lifetime appointees. 

Liberals cannot afford the divisions that clearly lost us the last election. 

Benjamin Franklin, "We must indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

^^^^^^^ Now, that is not advocating the same blind loyalty Trump wants. Despite all the desperate attempts for the GOP to claim a patent on the founders, most, if not all would DESPISE the current GOP.

So Bernie supporters, Hillary supporters, pick your battles, do not give 45 8 years and especially not more SCOTUS on the Supreme Court.

If Trump can end the Catholic and Jewish stranglehold on the SCOTUS it will be worth it.  They've been there too long.  It's time for diversity.

I'm betting a born-again Christian gets the nod. You'll miss Kennedy.

(June 27, 2018 at 4:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 4:07 pm)Chad32 Wrote: What are the corporate democrats doing to pull in progressives and independents? That's what they need to  win. If they don't, they should expect to continue losing. Or be replaced.

I hate this argument. 

It is absolutely TRUE that our politicians have been pulled to the economic right. THAT does not mean as voters we want that. Our politicians are held hostage by our own apathy. Our democratic politicians would not have to compete with republicans on their narrative is our voters would show up in every election.

If we as democrats want to clobber the GOP we have to play hardball. We have to take part. We can protect the private sector and get back to the policies of post WW2 that gave workers rights, that gave America stability. But we cannot do that if we allow the GOP to keep painting us as communists and anti patriotic. 

Now is the time to get mean, get dirty and get involved.

Trump is an authoritarian, he has more in common with his tone with despots and little in common with the founders.

I agree. But we need to fight from the left. Not center right, where the corporate dems are. We can't fight against the big money donos that supply the GOP, by taking money from the same donors. We have to pull the party back to the left, by starting on the left, whether they want to smear socialism or not.

I take it as a foregone conclusion that a Christian Fundamentalist will get the nod. The only group keeping Tump in office is the Christian right, and he knows it. By the end of the next SC term, abortion will be outlawed and pretty much all anti-discrimination legislation will be in the process of being rewritten, as well as any laws protecting workers or consumers. The country is done. Whatever rises in its place will be rising from ashes, not from votes.

(June 27, 2018 at 4:44 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 4:23 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: If Trump can end the Catholic and Jewish stranglehold on the SCOTUS it will be worth it.  They've been there too long.  It's time for diversity.

I'm betting a born-again Christian gets the nod. You'll miss Kennedy.

No I won't. If you look at the history of SCOTUS decisions since Reagan, while occasionally some who have served on the right throw a bone to social issues, economically speaking they have sided with corporations the vast majority of the time.

Great, he stood up for gay marriage, so what? He also upheld Citizens United, and the unfortunate part of that bullshit decisions, is as a result, we see Carrier jobs leave and Harley jobs leave. All you have to do as a republican to fake caring is to pick a fake fight, pretend to be for workers and do nothing. All you have to do as a republican is to fake caring, and sure, throw tax breaks at the middle class at the same time you throw tax breaks at billionaires that negate and swamp anything workers get.

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(June 27, 2018 at 4:23 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 2:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: During 2016 I was pissed off that there were far too many "All or nothing" asshole supporters in BOTH Bernie and Hillary camps. It wasn't just social issues, but also the Supreme Court. Now Justice Kennedy has announced his retirement. This is why every election matters, and every vote counts. If you are a Bernie or Hillary supporter and rightfully still pissed that the GOP stole Obama's nominee, please understand, whomever Trump nominates is going to be even more far right than Kennedy. 

Out of the three branches, the Supreme Court has far more long term influence than all the three branches because they are lifetime appointees. 

Liberals cannot afford the divisions that clearly lost us the last election. 

Benjamin Franklin, "We must indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

^^^^^^^ Now, that is not advocating the same blind loyalty Trump wants. Despite all the desperate attempts for the GOP to claim a patent on the founders, most, if not all would DESPISE the current GOP.

So Bernie supporters, Hillary supporters, pick your battles, do not give 45 8 years and especially not more SCOTUS on the Supreme Court.

If Trump can end the Catholic and Jewish stranglehold on the SCOTUS it will be worth it.  They've been there too long.  It's time for diversity.

That is like Saudi Arabia and Iran arguing "If we can end the other's rule".

That is a sick fucking argument. Jews and Catholics on the Supreme Court ARE NOT THE ISSUE! I certainly have a huge problem with pulpit politics as did Jefferson and Paine. I will always take a liberal theist in government over an asshole theocrat. And FYI Russia was never an atheist nation. It has always been a Russian Orthodox Christian majority. Even today Putin, A FORMER KGB agent continually quotes God. 

"No religious test" is in the Constitution's oath of office. Russia was never atheist and is not now.

(June 27, 2018 at 4:23 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 2:55 pm)Brian37 Wrote: During 2016 I was pissed off that there were far too many "All or nothing" asshole supporters in BOTH Bernie and Hillary camps. It wasn't just social issues, but also the Supreme Court. Now Justice Kennedy has announced his retirement. This is why every election matters, and every vote counts. If you are a Bernie or Hillary supporter and rightfully still pissed that the GOP stole Obama's nominee, please understand, whomever Trump nominates is going to be even more far right than Kennedy. 

Out of the three branches, the Supreme Court has far more long term influence than all the three branches because they are lifetime appointees. 

Liberals cannot afford the divisions that clearly lost us the last election. 

Benjamin Franklin, "We must indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

^^^^^^^ Now, that is not advocating the same blind loyalty Trump wants. Despite all the desperate attempts for the GOP to claim a patent on the founders, most, if not all would DESPISE the current GOP.

So Bernie supporters, Hillary supporters, pick your battles, do not give 45 8 years and especially not more SCOTUS on the Supreme Court.

If Trump can end the Catholic and Jewish stranglehold on the SCOTUS it will be worth it.  They've been there too long.  It's time for diversity.

Just what we need . . . some Jesus freak from Liberty University Law School sitting on the bench.

I happened to video Mike Pence introducing T.rump to the party faithful yesterday.