(September 12, 2011 at 6:15 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: ...and you determine that by?

Well, I am sure he will answer for himself, but the determination was made by rather obvious things, I would think. A. Your obviously arrogant personality and B. Your love of scripture. You believe in the bible, yet you are warned to be less like yourself in the bible. You still manage to soldier on, though. Amazing.

Yes, it was your rather unattractive and gloatingly arrogant assumption that prompted me to appeal to that particular snippet.

(September 12, 2011 at 6:10 pm)Shell B Wrote: No, it doesn't. I saw below and you have yet to take every other belief and disbelief individuals have into account. If you think for a second that a person can live their whole life only believing or disbelieving one single thing, you are deluded. Wait . . .

You obviously don’t know what the word worldview means. If all of your philosophies and your epistemology are a direct result of your atheism (which they have to be) then your worldview is atheism. I am not going to let you redefine the English language for the purpose the discussion.

Quote:You didn't prove shit. "Based off" is very different from "is." Still, even "based off" doesn't apply to atheism.

Wrong, solipsism IS a worldview and it IS one disbelief. Atheism IS a worldview and it is based off of one disbelief.

(September 12, 2011 at 5:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: None, dur. There is no ultimate authority. Your ultimate authority is yourself and you don't even realize it. Like every other deluded bible thumper, you cherry pick the bible and act according to your own whims, bending scripture to suit what you want out of life and what you are willing to do/not do, tell people to do/tell people not to do. Scary really, but you are your own god.

You don’t have an ultimate authority!!!? Then why are we having this discussion, why are you trying to use logic and reasoning if they are not your ultimate authority? How do you know anything? How do you discern anything to be true? You really are small time, you have an ultimate authority I assure you everyone does.

Quote:I made that claim? You're doing that pretending Shell said something she didn't say thing again. It's a good thing most people here know I wouldn't call myself "philosophically knowledgeable" like some self absorbed twit.

If you do not claim to be philosophically knowledgeable then why did you get so butt hurt when I called you philosophically ignorant?

---

(September 12, 2011 at 6:18 pm)Shell B Wrote: Well, I am sure he will answer for himself, but the determination was made by rather obvious things, I would think. A. Your obviously arrogant personality and B. Your love of scripture. You believe in the bible, yet you are warned to be less like yourself in the bible. You still manage to soldier on, though. Amazing.

Me placing my trust in scripture and using it as my ultimate authority is not sinful pride, putting your trust in anything else is though, so maybe the verse should have been addressed to you.

(September 12, 2011 at 6:18 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(September 12, 2011 at 6:15 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: ...and you determine that by?

Well, I am sure he will answer for himself, but the determination was made by rather obvious things, I would think. A. Your obviously arrogant personality and B. Your love of scripture. You believe in the bible, yet you are warned to be less like yourself in the bible. You still manage to soldier on, though. Amazing.

(September 12, 2011 at 6:23 pm)Darwinian Wrote: Yes, it was your rather unattractive and gloatingly arrogant assumption that prompted me to appeal to that particular snippet.

Preaching?

From the free dictionary:

Worldview ~ "A collection of beliefs about life and the universe held by an individual or a group."

Who is redefining things again?

My worldview is not based off of atheism. How can you assert that you know more about how I see the world than I do?

Silly, scripture tells him everything he needs to know about you. His bible can read your mind (how about THAT for a miracle eh).

(September 12, 2011 at 6:25 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Me placing my trust in scripture and using it as my ultimate authority is not sinful pride

No one said that was where you were being prideful. It was the part back there where you were being a prick and calling me ignorant.

(September 12, 2011 at 6:25 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: putting your trust in anything else is though, so maybe the verse should have been addressed to you.

Easy, Stat. Firstly, I don't believe in "sin." Secondly, addressing scripture to me doesn't bother me, so it would have been rather pointless, eh?

(September 12, 2011 at 6:28 pm)Shell B Wrote: From the free dictionary:

Worldview ~ "A collection of beliefs about life and the universe held by an individual or a group."

Who is redefining things again?

My worldview is not based off of atheism. How can you assert that you know more about how I see the world than I do?

Simple, you cannot form your other beliefs about life and the world around you without basing them on your atheism, it is your ultimate worldview just like Christian Theism is mine.

---

(September 12, 2011 at 6:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: No one said that was where you were being prideful. It was the part back there where you were being a prick and calling me ignorant.

Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.

(September 12, 2011 at 6:25 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Easy, Stat. Firstly, I don't believe in "sin." Secondly, addressing scripture to me doesn't bother me, so it would have been rather pointless, eh?

Refusing to believe in something does not logically mean it is not applicable to you, Warren Jeffs who was on trial for child rape does not believe in marital child rape but he is still guilty of it.

(September 12, 2011 at 6:32 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Simple, you cannot form your other beliefs about life and the world around you without basing them on your atheism, it is your ultimate worldview just like Christian Theism is mine.

Still . . . no. Read this carefully. Atheism only applies to theism in my life. It does not apply to how I think people should be treated, how I should treat people, what I think about employment, marriage, hygiene, etc. It doesn't even apply to a significant fraction of my life. I don't base any of the important things on atheism. I'm sorry that you cannot seem to grasp this.

Quote:Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.

So you have no problem with me calling you an arrogant, trollish liar with a knack for convincing yourself of the absurd?

Quote:Refusing to believe in something does not logically mean it is not applicable to you, Warren Jeffs who was on trial for child rape does not believe in marital child rape but he is still guilty of it.

Way to bring up something entirely irrelevant.