(July 18, 2018 at 11:33 am)Shell B Wrote:

(July 18, 2018 at 10:27 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Unless such ignorance stems from some form of mental incapacity.

If the Trumpster is commuting treason, whether he understands it or not, he should be held accountable under the laws of the nation.

I never even hinted that I thought it was an excuse or that he shouldn't be held accountable. I'm merely suggesting that he might be a blumbering idiot more than a calculating mastermind.

He is a master con to his base. He is beyond bumbling as a diplomat. When you attack the press and ignore or attack intel, not only during your run but while in office, REPEATEDLY, you are doing that deliberately. That makes you dangerous, even if you want to call that bumbling. We cannot afford either dangerous or bumbling.

And just today at a cabinet meting, he repeated the same con as he did with Un, he said NK was no longer a danger, only to have his intel say, "No they are still doing it."

The same thing happened with Russia today. Our top intel keeps repeating that they did interfere, now he is claiming Russia has stopped now? He said that just today! Our intel is certainly furious as they should be.

He is playing to his base and sure, it works for him. "Nobody has been tougher on Russia than I have" really? He said in Finland that our intel should investigate theirs and vice versa? That does not sound "tough" that is not just bumbling that is insane and DANGEROUS.

(July 18, 2018 at 12:58 pm)Shell B Wrote: Do you really think actions speak louder than words in global politics? If you speak like you're on Russia's side, the whole world will believe it, whether you act on it or not. What he says is very important. I wish Republicans would start listening.

Actually I do. Putting missiles on someone's border is more serious than reassurances you're not going to use them. I'm not saying that talking isnt important, just that people must look beyond what others say and compare that to what they do.

Meh. Trump is just doing what all narcissists do -- try to control and manage the image of themselves in those around them. In Helsinki he was with the Russians, so he tried to please the Russians. Back home he's with Americans, so he's saying things he think will please and appease the Americans. He's nothing but a chameleon, trying to blend in with whomever he's with. It's not criminal. It's just pathetic and stupid. But this is the type of idiot that Republicans thought would be best for our country. To which, all I can say is, Republicans are fucking stupid.

(July 17, 2018 at 11:08 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: I don't know if the concept of a "traitor" even applies to Trump. I doubt he ever had any loyalties to anyone but himself so there may be nobody for him to betray.

I think his daughter is the only thing in this world he would be willing to not betray. Historically though he's smart enough to hook up with the "right" people. For decades he's proven his "prowess" for circumventing the law and actively and publically seeking out all the right "wrong sorts" of people. I think he pretty well knows exactly what he's doing when it comes to everything he's doing! He ain't dumb.

For instance, when he hit the world in 67' with Daddys millions in his pockets, he sought out the Mafia. And he found them too! Together they benefitted greatly all the way to.. I'm not sure if those relations ever seized, to be honest. But the FBI did take down a lot of those Bozos and Trump was right in the middle of all of it, having to testify more than a few times at trials of mob related individuals. 

Politico Wrote:The indictment on which Salerno was convicted in 1988 and sent to prison, where he died, listed the nearly $8 million contract for concrete at Trump Plaza, an East Side high-rise apartment building, as one of the acts establishing that S &A was part of a racketeering enterprise. (While the concrete business was central to the case, the trial also proved extortion, narcotics, rigged union elections and murders by the Genovese and Gambino crime families in what Michael Chertoff, the chief prosecutor, called “the largest and most vicious criminal business in the history of the United States.'')

FBI agents subpoenaed Trump in 1980 to ask about his dealing with John Cody, a Teamsters official described by law enforcement as a very close associate of the Gambino crime family. The FBI believed that Cody previously had obtained free apartments from other developers. FBI agents suspected that Cody, who controlled the flow of concrete trucks, might get a free Trump Tower apartment. Trump denied it. But a female friend of Cody’s, a woman with no job who attributed her lavish lifestyle to the kindness of friends, bought three Trump Tower apartments right beneath the triplex where Donald lived with his wife Ivana. Cody stayed there on occasion and invested $500,000 in the units. Trump, Barrett reported, helped the woman get a $3 million mortgage without filling out a loan application or showing financials.

In his signature book, The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump boasted that when he wanted to build a casino in Atlantic City, he persuaded the state attorney general to limit the investigation of his background to six months. Most potential owners were scrutinized for more than a year. Trump argued that he was “clean as a whistle”—young enough that he hadn’t had time to get into any sort of trouble. He got the sped-up background check, and eventually got the casino license.

But Trump was not clean as a whistle. Beginning three years earlier, he’d hired mobbed-up firms to erect Trump Tower and his Trump Plaza apartment building in Manhattan, including buying ostensibly overpriced concrete from a company controlled by mafia chieftains Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno and Paul Castellano. That story eventually came out in a federal investigation, which also concluded that in a construction industry saturated with mob influence, the Trump Plaza apartment building most likely benefited from connections to racketeering. Trump also failed to disclose that he was under investigation by a grand jury directed by the U.S. attorney in Brooklyn, who wanted to learn how Trump obtained an option to buy the Penn Central railroad yards on the West Side of Manhattan



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ime-213910

Check out the full article, that was just the first chapter of the time line the writers were able to put together of Trump's sordid past.



Does anyone even remember the Russian who died of weird circumstances right after the election whom lived in Trump Tower? Afaik they wouldn't release the C.O.D. at the time.

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In conclusion I do think he's well aware of what he's doing and has zero qualms with the morality or legality of it.
Post to follow with proof that he definitely knew what he was doing during the election thanks to his old time friends over in Russia.
You know they caught a Russian and will be trying her in court. That'll be an eye opener, methinks. Hold onto your hats, NRA nuts! (I am not talking to all NRA members just the nuts of the bunch).

(July 18, 2018 at 1:30 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(July 18, 2018 at 12:58 pm)Shell B Wrote: Do you really think actions speak louder than words in global politics? If you speak like you're on Russia's side, the whole world will believe it, whether you act on it or not. What he says is very important. I wish Republicans would start listening.

Actually I do. Putting missiles on someone's border is more serious than reassurances you're not going to use them.  I'm not saying that talking isnt important,  just that people must look beyond what others say and compare that to what they do.

And people do that, but they will still, and have every right to, judge a sitting president for what he says and how he behaves around other leaders.

(July 18, 2018 at 2:07 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(July 18, 2018 at 1:30 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Actually I do. Putting missiles on someone's border is more serious than reassurances you're not going to use them.  I'm not saying that talking isnt important,  just that people must look beyond what others say and compare that to what they do.

And people do that, but they will still, and have every right to, judge a sitting president for what he says and how he behaves around other leaders.

Yes, of course. Diplomatic missteps, even grave ones, are not treasonous by definition. When politicians and pundits talk of treason it is simply ideological hyperbole. I do not take it seriously. Nothing Trump said constitutes treason, i.e. giving aid and comfort to an enemy in time of war.

Quote: Actually I do. Putting missiles on someone's border is more serious than reassurances you're not going to use them.

You mean like the missiles we had in Turkey on Russia's border?  Probably not.  Your kind never sees equivalencies.

I don't think he is a traitor I just think he is self absorbed and thinks differently than I do. Yes that different opinion is horrible in my mind but it's still just an opinion. I don't think he is literally trying to hurt the USA I think he wants to make it how he thinks it should look.

(July 18, 2018 at 10:49 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Is the Kathy Griffin/Trump head becoming less offensive?

..No. That was just dumb. It's only relevant after you dig them out of hidey holes, ya silly mutt!
(Jk! LyL 💖)

Also, they must be brown skinned, it's a racism thing.

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Introducing: the Russian Spy who says she's a Russian spy. 

I'm starting to think these Russians need to watch all the seasons of "The Americans" to learn how to be Russian spies! 

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(July 18, 2018 at 2:41 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote: Actually I do. Putting missiles on someone's border is more serious than reassurances you're not going to use them.

You mean like the missiles we had in Turkey on Russia's border?  Probably not.  Your kind never sees equivalencies.

Ummmm... what about putting TANKS in other people's Crimeas?!

Putin's Poodle says that's okay so you know that A/M will just goosestep along with the rest of the herd.