Meh. Theology, systematic or otherwise, is nothing but a long series of ad hoc rationalizations trying to explain away problems with the original imagined bullshit.

(July 18, 2018 at 3:55 pm)SteveII Wrote: What do you think is the % of Christians the believe in the Trinity? I bet you have no clue.

Correct! I have no fucking idea.

When was the doctrine of the trinity first formulated? Was it the 1st century ie, bible era, or was it centuries later?

Note! I said 'formulated'. Not hinted at, suggested or derived from but formulated.

And in the same vein.

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when was the doctrine of original sin formulated? Was it the 1st century ie, bible era, or was it centuries later?

Note! I said 'formulated'. Not hinted at, suggested or derived from but formulated.

Christianity; the product of so many inventive motherfuckers.

It should really be called the hole-y trinity. You know... because of the number of plot holes. What an utter load of nonsense.

(July 17, 2018 at 1:40 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . .


Shouldn't it read:

Myself, myself, why hast I forsaken me ??




Let's post about the Trinity some more.  Maybe we can work it out better, and maybe even get Jesus up to speed on it !!

Bloody hell, Vorls!

I’ve only been gone a couple of days!!

I haven't even mentioned the Mormons take on the Trinity.

It's actually hard to discuss as none of the Mormons seems to be sure just what they've all decided it is.


They did release a statement back in the 60s, IIRC, that the Holy Spirit is NOT Mrs. God.

That they felt it necessary to issue such a correction indicates just how far afield they were getting on the topic . . .

(July 18, 2018 at 12:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(July 18, 2018 at 2:26 am)Godscreated Wrote: No He did not, on the Mount the night before Jesus said "not my will but your will Father." The man in Jesus was crying out on the cross because He was bearing the sin of all humanity when He said those words. Sorry but you are wrong again why not just simply read the Bible and find the truth.

GC

He asked his father to let the cup pass from him. Ok, maybe not literally begging, but it was clear he didn't want to do it. And then apparently his dad couldn't even bear to watch what he was doing to his child.

The human side of Jesus came out at that moment because even as a man He knew that bearing the sins of all people for all time would be the most horrible thing that has ever happened to any one being. The scares He carries are the physical ones from the cross. You are right the Father couldn't watch His son become sin for mankind, it wasn't what the Father was doing, it's what we have done, each one of use is responsible regardless of what you think. Guess who else couldn't watch Jesus become sin, Satan, he knew at that moment the end was sealed for him, there was no escape for what he also was responsible for. This is why Satan tried to tempt Jesus so He couldn't go to the cross and bare the worlds sins. You have a misconception as to the relationship the Father and Son have, in reality the Son is not a child He is the second part of the trinity, there is an order to the trinity and that order was what God used to define the family unit. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit have always existed together, complete in all ways.

Chad32 Wrote:I'm not sure what bearing the sins of the world is supposed to be, exactly.

  Christ took on all sin as His responsibility to bring forgiveness for all mankind. He paid the debt for all those sins so upon acceptance of Him by a amn that man can through grace receive forgiveness of his own sin. 

GC

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(July 18, 2018 at 4:29 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(July 18, 2018 at 2:26 am)Godscreated Wrote: The man in Jesus was crying out on the cross because He was bearing the sin of all humanity when He said those words. Sorry but you are wrong again why not just simply read the Bible and find the truth.

GC

Seems that "man in Jesus" will continue to exist even in so called heaven where only spirits live because 1 Peter 3:22 states that Jesus is "gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God". So if the second 'lord,' Jesus, is sitting next to the first 'Lord,' the triune godhead or two-thirds of it, or any aggregate of it, he cannot be part of it. That which exists outside of God cannot be God. In other words, you can't sit beside that which you are.

 You must be a former Mormon, that would be bad enough but then you took the plunge into a world devoid of the idea of God, how sad for you. God the Son is Jesus and Jesus is God the Son, there is a difference that of the capabilities when the Son was on earth and in heaven. On earth the Son laid down all His powers and authority, upon returning to heaven after the resurrection He took up what He laid down. You see know in heaven again with the Father He is in human form, He can't go back to the spirit form He once had, that was a part of volunteering to be a sacrifice for mankind, yet he still accepted the this position because of His great love for those who He has created and will create. The Son, who was the Christ of God became Jesus and upon His return to heaven He is now Jesus Christ the Son, still part of the trinity. Part of His sacrifice, what He gave up, is the way He was, Spirit, to inhabit a fleshly body for all eternity, He paid an irreversible price to save the ones He loves. 

Your delusional idea is ludicrous to say the least, you have no idea as to who the Triune God is or is capable. You fail at every post about God and His word, you should give up your sad attempts to discredit God, you should read His word and find the truth as it applies to your life instead.

GC

G-C is back pretending he knows what the fuck he is talking about.

(July 19, 2018 at 1:51 am)Minimalist Wrote: G-C is back pretending he knows what the fuck he is talking about.

It never ceases to amaze me sometimes you can clearly see they don't really know the answer that they are simply regurgitating the same stuff they have drilled into their heads, and even though they already know that audience has heard it all before and rejected it as nonsense they still repeat it.

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(July 19, 2018 at 1:00 am)Godscreated Wrote: . God the Son is Jesus and Jesus is God the Son, there is a difference that of the capabilities when the Son was on earth and in heaven. On earth the Son laid down all His powers and authority, upon returning to heaven after the resurrection He took up what He laid down. You see know in heaven again with the Father He is in human form, He can't go back to the spirit form He once had, that was a part of volunteering to be a sacrifice for mankind,

*bold mine*

So where is heaven that it has all the requirements to sustain human life ?

(July 18, 2018 at 10:02 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(July 18, 2018 at 9:06 am)SteveII Wrote: My point is that these types of threads are really an asinine form of entertainment to those that regularly participate. There is no one in these first few pages really interested in the topic in order to learn more or clarify something they don't understand. Now will follow 8-10 pages of idiocy as people comment on something they can't even properly articulate as if they are saying something even worth the millivolt to light one pixel. 

Go ahead, someone prove me wrong. Correctly articulate the doctrine of the Trinity--a key, mainstream Christian belief.

Yeah, I wonder why it’s nearly impossible to articulate, Steve?

Why is it impossible to articulate? It's fairly straightforward. But that's not my point. This thread and the hundred like are nothing more than: "Ahh...doctrine x--I know, let's make fun of it even though almost none of us understand it and the ones that do won't correct us anyway...that's a great pastime with so much fun, purpose, fulfillment, and intellectually-stimulating back and forth...I can't wait to get started."

Humans may be guilty of the crime, but god is responsible for the piss poor attempts at a solution. You can't lay everything at our feet, when you believe in a god that's supposed to be in charge of everything, and all powerful.

And I still don't know what bearing sin is supposed to be. It's too abstract a concept to be clear. All I know is, he still apparently thinks killing people will solve the problems of the world, when it obviously doesn't.