Quote:and to be better at framing in a logically and morally consistent way.

Wait.  Are you suggesting that the republicunts are logical and morally consistent?  They're racist pigs.

(August 1, 2018 at 9:19 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: I want the dems to be better at being persistent and aggressive, and to be better at framing in a logically and morally consistent way. It can be done.

Yeah, just as better choreographed Tai chi can improve one’s chances in a street fight.

Ideological Purity. <--- This is why Republicans win.

I'm not sure whether it's the chicken or the egg, but I'm not so sure if it's something Republicans are doing so much as what Democrats aren't doing.

It's the I agree with nearly everything Corey Booker stands for, but he voted against that Canadian Drug bill, so fuck him and everything he stands for until the end of time, and if he's the Democratic nominee, I'll vote third party.

Republicans realize that they, as the base, can influence the people once they're in office. And they do. Trump's base is loud and apparently organized. They have their Congressmen and Senators toeing a line they all would have said was out of bounds 18 months ago. Telling that the ones that aren't seeking re-election are the only ones with the balls.

Ideological Purity is what kills Democrats. Make your representatives progressive. If you live in a red state, vote for the moderate, because they are the ones that have the chance to win. Get them there. Look what happened with Hillary: she got drawn to the left by Bernie and the base.

The game isn't changing unless we have the power to change it. To have any hope of making the election process fairer and more representative we have to have people in power we can influence. It's simply moronic not to vote along party lines and then use our collective influence to make shit happen when we have the votes to make it happen. You're not going to influence a republican to change voting day to a weekend or to get rid of racist voter ID laws and voter roll purges. You're not going to convince anyone by sitting it out. Republicans know this. That's why they voted for Trump. So far it's working out great for them.

(August 1, 2018 at 9:28 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Ideological Purity. <--- This is why Republicans win.

I'm not sure whether it's the chicken or the egg, but I'm not so sure if it's something Republicans are doing so much as what Democrats aren't doing.

It's the I agree with nearly everything Corey Booker stands for, but he voted against that Canadian Drug bill, so fuck him and everything he stands for until the end of time, and if he's the Democratic nominee, I'll vote third party.

Republicans realize that they, as the base, can influence the people once they're in office. And they do. Trump's base is loud and apparently organized. They have their Congressmen and Senators toeing a line they all would have said was out of bounds 18 months ago. Telling that the ones that aren't seeking re-election are the only ones with the balls.

Ideological Purity is what kills Democrats. Make your representatives progressive. If you live in a red state, vote for the moderate, because they are the ones that have the chance to win. Get them there. Look what happened with Hillary: she got drawn to the left by Bernie and the base.

The game isn't changing unless we have the power to change it. To have any hope of making the election process fairer and more representative we have to have people in power we can influence. It's simply moronic not to vote along party lines and then use our collective influence to make shit happen when we have the votes to make it happen. You're not going to influence a republican to change voting day to a weekend or to get rid of racist voter ID laws and voter roll purges. You're not going to convince anyone by sitting it out. Republicans know this. That's why they voted for Trump. So far it's working out great for them.

Many Democrats don’t understand it is us against them, not me against not me.

They fantasize about being Bronze Age Champions, not realizing this is an Iron Age War.

(August 1, 2018 at 9:23 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(August 1, 2018 at 9:19 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: I want the dems to be better at being persistent and aggressive, and to be better at framing in a logically and morally consistent way. It can be done.

Yeah, just as better choreographed Tai chi can improve one’s chances in a street fight.

I didn't say I want them to be nice. I said I want them to be moral. Big difference.

(August 1, 2018 at 9:52 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote:

(August 1, 2018 at 9:23 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Yeah, just as better choreographed Tai chi can improve one’s chances in a street fight.

I didn't say I want them to be nice. I said I want them to be moral. Big difference.

You don’t win by being moral when the electorate is immoral.   Another major democratic conceit is the fundamental descency and good common sense of American people are bankable assets.  Not only are they not bankable, there is nary a sign they still exist.

About %50 of Americans that say they are right leaning are for single payer healthcare. There's so many ways Republicans are legitimately shitty that there's no need to lie.

What lies would they tell anyway? That Trump is a gay atheist?

(August 1, 2018 at 10:25 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: About %50 of Americans that say they are right leaning are for single payer healthcare. There's so many ways Republicans are legitimately shitty that there's no need to lie.

What lies would they tell anyway? That Trump is a gay atheist?

Sufficient number Americans are so moronic they would sooner believe in lies about the enemies of the republicans than digest the implications of the truth about the republicans.

You won’t win by telling them the truth.  You win by making up things that dovetail with their most morbid fear and then pin it on the creepublicans.   Core of American electorate are no longer motivated by making themselves and the world better,   But by the morbid fear that fate will catch up to their own worthlessness and will stoop to a trump in the vain hope of staving off the day of reckoning.

(August 1, 2018 at 9:57 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(August 1, 2018 at 9:52 pm)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: I didn't say I want them to be nice. I said I want them to be moral. Big difference.

You don’t win by being moral when the electorate is immoral.   Another major democratic conceit is the fundamental descency and good common sense of American people are bankable assets.  Not only are they not bankable, there is nary a sign they still exist.

I'm afraid so.

The current situation is something I never foresaw. Instead of ushering us into a new, better era, the election of a good, honorable, black President resulted in the emergence of racist fools like cockroaches scurrying out from beneath the refrigerator when the light is turned off. Suddenly, it became fashionable to be racist pigs again.

What can we learn from Repugnicans? We can learn that they are still there. We can learn that there are legions of stupid fools who can be manipulated by the party of stupid. We can learn that if we want a better world, we must take nothing for granted. We must light a fire under the ass of every progressive to get off their fat ass in EVERY election cycle and vote against the disgusting and stupid Repugnicans.

That is what we must learn.

Sometimes..we imagine that the GOP "strategy" is a car that we can take all of the gop shit out of and fill full of other shit..but its not.  The racist bit is the fuckin wheels, it's not like a bag in the trunk.